So I just read the issue and it makes no sense. Why would killing Ares weaken him yet he can go on rampage and kill everyone including Thor without slowing down?
that goes to show you even in DEATH they cant get the damn Sentry right. Killing Ares did NOT weaken void at ALL. The ONLY thing that killed sentry was Bob... B O B.
i swear how to writers get away with such HORRIBLE writing.
That What If, is using Ares Death as a plot device to push its story forward. The idea that Sentry over exerted himself in killing Ares, and therefore weakened him should be ignored since it goes against the actual reason for Sentry’s weak moment.
Then you have an in issue contradiction. 616 Sentry weakened himself from killing Ares to early, yet What If Sentry goes on to wreck, and kill everyone Earth with no pause.
616 Sentry was *apparently* defeated because he exerted a good deal of power to kill Ares, and didn't have any time to recover before attacking Asgard. What If Sentry killed Ares days before he attacked Asgard, thus was fully recovered by the time he did so.
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Prior to that What IF, there was no indication to suggest Sentry taxed himself in killing Ares.
Its clear that What IF Siege, is using the death of Ares as a plot device to push the development of its story.
To make matters worse, the reason for his defeat is clearly addressed in the comic, and the proceeding interview. Which goes against this What IF story.
True. However it certainly isn't uncommon for more recent information to be released that changes what we *thought* were established facts. The Watcher told us about events that unfolded in the 616 reality, which ultimately hastened Sentry's defeat. The entire What If was based around what would have happened if said events had transpired differently.
Every What If begins like that. ie. a Watcher tells us what has already happened in 'our' reality, then goes on to show us "what would have happened IF". I have always regarded the former as canon, and the latter as non-canon. /shrug
Regardless, a respect thread isn't really the place to have a discussion like this. But I would be more than happy to continue via PM if you still disagree with my line of thinking.
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"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
I agree with Galan in his reasoning, it wouldn't even be a hard retcon since it was never stated Sentry had no limits, it was only implied. However I couldn't read the scan because it seemed broken, is it possible to post the link again or tell me the issue number (PM will work).
once again, its more garbage writing. the only one who knew how to write sentry was Jenkins, after that Bendis dragged Bob through the mud.
as it has been stated, the whole point of ares being killed in siege is that NO ONE could be the void. NO O N E. the only person who could is and ALWAYS has been bob. he forced thor to blast him in his human form by envoking some of the void.
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This reminded me of Bendis saying on his board around the time the second Siege issue hit streets, that Sentry didn't use "conventional means" when murdering Ares. I don't know how serious he was, since he was maybe saying it to placate people expecting Ares to piece himself together with his immortal lifeforce or something by next issue.
Otherwise Bendis did a decent job of planting the seeds of Sentry's demise in the Dark Avengers run, by having Reynolds become increasingly wary of his immortality and then have a deep-seated suicidal streak during the last days of the Dark Reign. But a set of mitigating circumstances doesn't necessarily exclude another, you could even add what Amadeus Cho told his team in Mighty Avengers: that he calculated Loki gave them extra time to turn the battle around, which then meant them raining more attacks on the Void, which ends with Reynolds snapping to.
Dunno, it seems the Sentry's death was never going to be a straighforward affair.
What I found interesting about that issue is Atau also calling the Void the Angel of Death. That's probably going to stick.
I made the original thread by the way. Thanks for the comments.
I understand where you are coming from, you are suggesting a retcon through a What If, which anyone should take with a grain of salt. That specific what if, was only written to push its single issue, not to hold an impact on mainstream marvel.
It’s silly to inject it into mainstream, since the explanation folds on its own. Hey look killing Ares taxed Sentry, but destroying Loki with a hand gesture had no impact? Oh yeah it’s a What If.
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Someone post the What If Fight. Sentry smashes through every earth character, Earth itself, and Threatens to destroy the Watcher on his moon base. Good stuff.
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