Nah. Snape apparates away instantly, thousands of feet away, then whispers confundus.
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Confundus is a directed spell that, according to the depiction in the film, requires line of sight to be successful.
Confundus attacks the mind, an arena in which Sidious is particularly adept. In AotC, Mace and Yoda (the two most senior Jedi of the Jedi leadership structure) directly attribute their "diminished" capacity to use the Force on Sidious.
Please provide a video from the official Warner Brothers films wherein Severus Snape apparates any distance "instantly."
K, but Hermione doesn't have line of sight on Cormac when she uses it on him.
Dude, don't. This is not the Jedi mind trick, it does not rely on the victim being weak minded. Barty Crouch Jr hoodwinked the GOF with it, and it was one of the most powerfully enchanted magical objects in HPverse.
Confundus works just fine on the Jedi.
K.
Here in the MVF, we all go by the following rule: If a lesser wizard/Jedi can use a spell/force power, then a greater one can too. Don't like it, pm Impediment.
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Actually, she does. Cormac is out in front of God and everybody. Being in the middle of a playing field will tend to do that.
I think I was confusing the book and the movie. There's no extended scene where Harry shrugs off the Imperius curse, is there? 'Cuz, in canon there is precedent.
Oh well, I think you're probably right on this one. Conceded.
That was actually really nicely done. Capitalizing on the tribe mentality to turn people away from a reasonable argument is a really powerful rhetorical device. Luckily for all of us, I don't have to be liked. I have to be right.
IF Snape is afforded all of the powers of inferior combatants, then so is Darth Sidious. This offers much more to Sidious than it does for Snape. I have no problem obeying "your" rules, so long as they are applied evenly.
Snape apparates away, can no longer target his Confundus charm, and must apparate back into the arena. Sidious, given his prodigious pregoc ability, is already moving bricks the size of x-wings to crush him. Snape, with his merely human reflexes, gets squashed.
She is looking at him from thousands of feet away. She looks down, AWAY from him, and whispers confundus.
I like big bewbz. Pointy ones.
Yeppers. OUR rules. Seriously, think about it: You walk into a debate here and someone is saying that Windu cannot use force push
OK here's the core of my argument here: Apparition is instantaneous. Snape can apparate before being attacked, and can apparate out of a force hold or whatever. He can attack from afar, from all angles, from thousands of feet high. He can turn Sidious into a dog. He can vanish him. He can summon anything he wishes to use against Sidious.
The sheer depth and power of HP spells is what makes me side with wizards over Jedi every time. This is something that most here fail to realize.
I love SW more than anything, but that doesn't mean I have to side with the Jedi.
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All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I **** like you wanna ****, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.
All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I **** like you wanna ****, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.
It is obvious that we are using "line of sight" differently. Let's see how our expectations differ when we refrain from using that phrase entirely:
Hermione was capable of looking at McClaggen when she fired the spell. Hermione pointed her wand at him when she cast this spell.
One hundred percent of the examples of this spell onscreen include a very precise knowledge of where the target is as well as a wand pointed directly at the target.
Sidious isn't going to get hit by any of that. These spells either require a direct gesture from a wand or operate through physical means. If Snape points his wand at Sidious there will be time to move. If he shoots something made of matter then telekinesis comes into play. Sidious has shown output ranging in the hundreds (if not thousands) of joules with his Telekinesis. Shear forces alone would be enough to liquefy Snape.
TK alone wins this fight. (What happens if Snape's wand gets snapped?)
Not all spells require a direct hit on the victim. Confundus is one of these spells. Fiendfyre (fire attack, whatever) is another. Also, it was shown in OOTP that Legilimens can be used when the wizard is nowhere in sight. And yes, legilimens will work on Sidious. Legilimens does not require the victim to be weak minded. The only counter is Occlumency.
TK alone wins the fight? I'd agree with you on this, but the power of apparition allows Snape to teleport away any time he is in danger. Apparating>>>>>>TK.
Wands have been shown taking a shitload of punishment and not breaking. They are hit all the time by expelliarmus and suffer not even a scratch. Expelliarmus, when cast on a wizard, not the wand, is every bit as powerful as any force push ever shown in SW.
Snape took a massive expelliarmus to the chest and it didn't liquefy him.
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Snape is not weak minded. The mind trick requires the victim to be weak minded.
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Let's see.....Snape was able to hoodwink the most powerful and all his followers for 20 damn years. Yeah, he's just some ditzy cheerleader
Anakin said it too, in AOTC.
Then there's Occlumency. Snape, to Harry: "Used properly, the power of Occlumency will help shield you from access or influence."
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OK then, the fact remains that Snape is not some weak minded fool. The mind trick will fail miserably on him.
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well, if we can use wiki, it can be proved that jedi have mind controlled just about EVERYONE, including Luke, a fleet admiral, and a brilliant scientist (among MANY )others. Those 3 have at least the intellect and leadership abilities of Snape.
The link I provided is not talking about individual feats, man. It's about a spell in general.
Using wiki for individual feats is where things get shady.
Discount it if you like. From now on I'll refer to the "fiendfyre" as "Poopoo powder."
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