Jesus. Do you criticize the action scenes in the Indiana jones movies too, because they are done with a bit of humor? It's not like it should be serious as a WW2 film. The audience wants fun thrills, and the movie delivered.
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The Indiana Jones movies have a lot more simplified fight scenes and may I remind you that the humour in any of those individual movies never bloats so much so it loses the point of the scene to yet more comedy. Also the film only mildy refers to it being based around WW2 and is centered more around the war and not in the thick of it so your attempt at sarcasm fails.
I just felt it was unnecessary for MORE comedy considering it was already up to that point saturated with enough meaningless scenes/characters and script that didn't go anywhere because of similar attempts at 'humour'.
Fun thrills, yes it had some but when a director starts to let his ego into the film up to the point where he has to appear in it and it being no less than in an action scene is just terrible. Many directors appear in their own movies but only in cameo form (voices too), and not a character that feels they are part of the adventure or the 'team'. IM1 he was just 'the driver' he has a name and its a veritable character but he's not doing anything to impact the story and that works, this changes in IM2 where he's everywhere.
I also prefer the first Iron Man film over the second one. Iron Man 2 didn't have major plot holes. It just had a different formula than the first film. The first film's plot flowed much smoother and everything was connected. The second film was supposed to be about Tony Stark dealing with a lot of crap around him at the same time (government wants his armors, has to fight Whiplash, has to create a new element from his dad's research, has to save himself from dying, etc.)
Favreau leaving the franchise worries me. When Richard Donner left Superman, the franchise dropped. When Singer left the X-Men franchise, it dropped. Batman Forever was mediocre (no different than the first two Burton films) but that is because BF was a foreshadowing of what was about to follow (and we will NOT discuss what followed after Batman Forever ).
Since the films are the properties of Marvel Studios, I think the continuity will stay clean between Favreau's films and what the new director does. There won't be a 'Schumachering' of the franchise.
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Im actually glad he's not returning. I think the first Iron Man is a great movie and even though the second one was a mess it still had many redeeming factors. I'd like to see what someone else can do with the franchise since the ground work has been laid. Besides, i'd like to see him return to his dark and cynical comedy roots.
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It had a good deal of plotholes. Like how can Lt. Col. James "Rhodey" Rhodes just take a suit? Is there no password protection? No software to keep random people from flying off with it? And how does he know how to use it so well?
How did James Rhodes take off the suit after flying it to the US Army camp? There were no robotic arms! Plus, it was even intact after he took it off! How did they know how to assemble/disassemble it?
Why did Whiplash take off his helmet during the fight with War Machine and Iron Man? There was absolutely no reason to.
And what was Whiplash's obsession with whips anyways? Why would he put it in a final suit when he knows it wasn't effective in the first place?
If S.H.I.E.L.D. agents are around all the time, why doesn't anyone of them help out when the army of Iron Man drones attacks the Stark Expo?
How did Tony Stark leave his house without being detected by Agent Coulson?
How did Ivan build his final Whiplash suit without Justin Hammer noticing? In fact, that suit's entirety felt freakishly rushed.
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Maybe it's because I'm a little nerdy, but I found it incredibly ridiculous how quickly Tony Stark and Whiplash were able to commandeer any piece of technology they wanted. Does no one password protect their stuff? Are all the other programmers in the Marvel Universe completely inept?
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In both the comics and the movies, Tony and Rhodey are very good friends. Tony trusts Rhodey more than anyone else. In the first film, Rhodey was the FIRST person that Tony wanted to show the suit to. So I trust that Tony has given Rhodey more info on the suit during those 6 months (the second film takes place six months after the first film). The first movie did have ONE plot hole though. How did Obadiah Stane learn how to use the suit so fast? Tony needed practice using it. Even Rhodey needed practice using it (as I said earlier, Tony most likely showed him how to use the suit during those six months). So how did Obadiah know how to use it?
The suit doesn't need the robotic arms to be dissasembled. Tony was shown wearing his suit without the mask and was also shown wearing only the gloves of the suit. And even if you need robot arms to dissasemble it, then you don't think they have them? His mansion isn't the only place in the world with those robotic arms. Tony placed robotic arms that dissasembled the suit wherever the suit would go. He even had them during a presentation that he was doing at the beginning of the movie.
What would be the whole point of keeping the helmet on? Whether or not he wore it, it wouldn't have made a difference. It's not really a plot hole. And if it is, then it is a VERY VERY VERY minor plot hole. You're just nitpicking now.
He thought the whips would have worked this time because he they were part of a more advanced suit. And Justin Hammer most likely DID know about the suit. Remember that Justin Hammer gave Vanko full control over the Iron Man suits and didn't interfere with anything. He even let him use androids instead of robotic suits.
SHIELD agents aren't around that much. The only agents that appeared in the movie were Black Widow, Agent Coulson, and Nick Fury. Black Widow was an undercover agent. And she WAS there helping out when the Iron Man drones attacked Stark Expo. Nick Fury only appeared to help Tony get back on his feet and to give him the info required for him to continue his dad's research. That was his job in the movie. Once that job was finished, he left. And keep in mind that he had other members to recruit into the Avengers. He had to deal with superheroes from all over the world, which is why he wasn't always around Tony. And Agent Coulson wasn't there during the attack.
I'll give you that Agent Coulson not detecting Tony was a plot hole. You're right about that.
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Why wouldn't Whiplash keep the helmet on? Are you serious? I forget which one did it but one of them tried to shoot him in the face. He closed his helmet in time but immediately took it back off afterwords. The first thoughts in his head should have been "They are trying to kill me. I shouldn't leave my brain open to every single form of attack they possess."
It's not necessarily a plot hole though if you consider how vain and stupid Whiplash seemed to be.
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