Cmon! Do people really think that the cousin to humans with a huge strength and durability boost would get overpowered by a bear? A silverback is the supreme mix of POWER,agility,and intelligence. It's speed and strength are far far far beyond ours and a very powerful and agile skilled wrestler could engage a de-clawed muzzled bear of about 300 lbs. The bear would not lose but the human would not die either. A 300 muzzled silverback would destroy the wrestler quickly.
A 450 lb silverback is a brick of muscle, Has more dexterity than the best human athlete, and has primal skill to use that combo to kill to survive. The bear would flee or die IMO.
Kodiak Bear wins via ridiculous power and it's nasty claws. A kodiak is said to have the power to decapitate a horse with one swipe. It also takes down elk and bison minimal effort. The gorilla is no slouch, so it could do some damage as well, but a powerful swipe from a kodiak would be more than a crippling blow.
Here's some fights that I think would be better:
Bengal Tiger vs Silverback Gorilla (don't think this is crazy, tigers are ridiculously strong, fast, and agile and have been known to kill brown bears, and even Indian Elephants).
Silverback is much stronger than people are giving it credit for. i was watching Animal Planet and saw this evaluation or something on the silverback (maybe for the animal fighting show or something) and they said a silverback is strong enough to press two cars over its head.
now i know that the kodiak is heavy but i highly doubt that gives it any advantage if the gorilla can do that.
and the gorilla is so powerfully muscled that i doubt one swipe from the bear would do it in. the gorilla is too strong durable and smart for the bear
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By cars do you mean model cars made of Styrofoam?
The Smartcar, one of the smallest cars out there, is still a whopping 1,600 lbs. Multiply that by two. There's no way a gorilla is pressing that. Let alone larger cars, the sort of cars people are referring to when they say "cars".
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im just telling you what the "experts" on the show said and assuming it all wasnt just hogwash they probably know more about it then you or i so just because you dont agree or believe it wouldnt make it any less true
Do you know how difficult it would be to decapitate a horse? They're necks are ridiculously thick. A bear can cut through all that muscle with one swipe. If a bear hit a gorilla like that it would cause serious damage, and probably make the gorilla run away, and that's only if it didn't kill it.
Studies have also shown that a bear's intelligence is comparable to the higher primates (or something like that).
I've seen that, and they get things wrong. There's no way a gorilla can lift two sedans, unless it's king kong.
The p4p strongest animal was the Rhinoceros beetle, they can lift something like 850 times their own weight.
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there is nothing in a gorilla's habitat that it would have had to evolved to deal with that compares to a large bear, let alone a Kodiak, whereas grizzles have adapted to fight each other for mates and territory.
A gorilla might be too quick for a grizzly to pin down, or it may be too large for the bear to think it is worth the energy it would take to kill, but I don't see a gorilla putting down a fully grown Kodiak.
woah..... wut?
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It's something I heard a long time ago. I just googled it, and I found one article that talks about how bears can "count" as well as primates. It was black bears though.
ya, I figured it would be some sort of one off trait everyone was "amazed" an animal could do as well as us amazing humans Its weird, for some reason even academics in the field of comparative psychology seem astonished when animals can produce behaviours that are similar to humans, as if, omfg, evolution wouldn't produce rats that can navigate well or crows that can figure out puzzles. Because those things have nothing to do with that organism's survival ffs. lol, sorry, not ranting at you...
EDIT: a similar thing happened when researchers found that chimps had a better working memory than humans, and all these news casts were like "omfg, chimps are smarter than humans!!" It is somewhat frustrating.
anyways, bears might have fantastic abilities related to their behaviours, but I would be astounded if they had "intelligence" even close to primates. Certainly, their physiology isn't really conducive to things like tool use.
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You should read this article. It talks about circus bears (they can be trained to balance on balls, ride skateboards, play musical instruments, etc).
The article mentions that bears are smarter than dogs, and I agree with that. I have a German Shepherd (the third most intelligent dog), and he's smart (hell of a lot smarter than my rottweilers), but I doubt he could ever play an instrument, lol.
They're probably not as smart as Primates, or dolphins, or crows, but they probably have a decent amount of intelligence.
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Last edited by Insomniatric on Jun 19th, 2012 at 11:59 PM
lol, just to be a pedant, I don't think those kinds of hierarchies of intelligence are really relevant.
dogs are as smart as evolution needed them to be, and, in terms of being dogs, they are smarter than any other animal. Like, these comparisons by definition define intelligence in terms of various human qualities. So like, cool, bears can do some things dogs can't, but, if the skills were biased toward qualities more important to being dogs, there is no way bears would be thought of as smarter.
Like, crows are good problem solvers, but "smart?"... ermmm, idk
think of it this way, how much of what human (or dolphin) intelligence is comprised of is exclusively our language abilities? What your point, to me at least, sounds like is, primates, dolphins and crows are better at human measures of intelligence than bears are.
I think that's kind of the unspoken qualifier in all discussions of this kind.
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Tbh, I'm not sure what you're saying. Of course a dog is better at being, well a dog than a bear would be, but that wasn't what I was saying.
I think to determine how intelligent an animal is, you would have to compare it to the most intelligent known animal (humans of course). I can't really think of any other way to fairly judge it, but I'm just a teenager lol, so I'm far from an expert.
Bears are known to open doors on cars if they smell food inside. You can probably train a dog to open a door (I saw one guy who trained his German shepherd to open the refrigerator door), but bears figure it out themselves. Bears also have a large brain compared to their body size.
Bears in the wild also use tools. They use sticks to scratch themselves, and they play by picking up rocks and throwing them at each other. Polar bears are known to throw chunks of ice at walruses to bludgeon them and knock them out.
For the record, crows are more than just good problem solvers. They are known to use tools to solve problems. Also, they can remember people's faces and recognize them the next time they see them. They also have excellent memories, they have been known to memorize a garbage man's driving schedule.
Scientists did a test with a group of rooks (type of crow), where they had a tube of water with a worm in it. The water level was just low enough that the crow couldn't reach it, which obviously meant that they couldn't reach the worm. So, they dropped pebbles in the water until it was high enough that they could get the worm. They also went for the bigger pebbles so that it would displace more water.
In a similar test, a crow was given a straight wire, and bent it so that it could grab the worm.
Crows have also been known to drop nuts in front of cars so that it could crack them. They also take time to memorize the pattern of traffic lights. They drop the nut when the light is green, and retrieve them when it is red. I'm no expert, but that sounds pretty smart.
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A tiger has every physical advantage possible. They are much stronger, they can run with an ox in their mouth, and have been seen traveling upriver carrying 500 pound animals on their back. A tiger was seen dragging a 3,300 pound guar a quarter of a mile.
In 1960's cage fights, they pitted lions against Siberian Tigers, and found that the lion would usually win, but the Bengal tigers routinely mopped the floor with the lions.
There is documented cases of tigers killing Indian Rhinos, indian elephants, and Saltwater crocodiles.
do you have any evidence that a silverback cant lift two cars like that besides you just thinking they cant?
not trying to be a dick but im more inclined to believe in the results of the tv show where they actually do tests to determine animal stats over someones unbacked opinion.
granted they could be wrong or just have made it up but is there any proof of that?
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Wow, a double negative proof fallacy.
So far you haven't even proved that they did say this at all, for all we known you could have imagined it.
Instead of getting defensive when people question your anecdotal evidence of an outrageous claim why not do a little research to confirm whether there's anything to support it?
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do we always have to prove research was done and done properly when we quote a study? im not saying its 100% true but im more inclined to believe an example given by a source that has done some research then someone simply saying "thats stupid and cant be true"
and if you were reading posts youd notice that Insomniatric said he has seen that episode too so unless we are having the same delusion id say it exists. nice try tho
cant be too hard to check out tho if you really want to see for yourself. i cant post thing from the computer im using
EDIT: i gave you the name of the show and what they were looking for in the episode what more do you need?
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Its weird, for some reason even academics in the field of comparative psychology seem astonished when animals can produce behaviours that are similar to humans, as if, omfg, evolution wouldn't produce rats that can navigate well or crows that can figure out puzzles. Because those things have nothing to do with that organism's survival ffs. lol, sorry, not ranting at you...
