[the page is admittedly a wiki answer, but it basically takes answers to this question from around the internet, some estimates are higher or lower than this, but it appears you got the stat from the show wrong]
an interesting point is raised in this comparison between human and gorilla, especially given skill and such (there are no gorilla weightlifters, so we don't know their actual upper lifting limit; it is totally possible a gorilla could have 5-20 times the strength of a human but fail to lift with the same efficiency). The more modest (and generally more scientific/naturalist focused) sites put the upper body strength of a gorilla at about 6-10 times that of a human, whereas forum posters like to say 20. In terms of real numbers, I'm seeing nothing over 2 tons (at the absolute max, which I think is an entirely unsupported claim anyways), and given the average car (you claimed 4 door) is between 4000-5500 pounds, this means, at absolute max and totally unproven levels of strength, a gorilla could lift the weight of one, maybe.
i was only saying what i remembered from the show which was two cars above its head.
i didnt recall the actual weight which is why i didnt quote one and i thought it was two four doors but yes i could be wrong since its been years since i saw it.
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No. You just have to prove it exists and prove it says what you say it says. And then, if there's cause for more skepticism you'd probably want to offer some reason to trust the study's validity.
Oh, and I'd never call anything from Animal Faceoff a "study".
I'm not making positive claims, I'm expressing skepticism. If you want to convince me, then you're going to have to put at least a modicum of effort into backing up your claims.
Saying "it's there" is just a dodge. If a man claims to be a great writer you would want to see his writing, not just hear him tell you "yeah I have a great work somewhere" and if someone wants a Nobel Prize in Physics he actually has to present his findings and support them, not say "just go out and look for it, you'll see I'm right, if not whatever, it's there".
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So, even if we use the obese weight (which we shouldn't, obesity is known to have massively negative impacts on physical strength), that puts the max a gorilla can lift at 6000 lbs, only slightly more than a single sedan (4000-5500lbs).
The show might have used the obese weight and much smaller cars, but your claim that it could lift 2 full size sedans over its head is not supported.
though, tbh, this is really easy to look up and sort of indicates you didn't even try...
but did you watch the episode? particularly the gorilla part? the little green demo has it lifting two cars
and your right i didnt look because im on my work computer which wont let me post links or videos so im kinda stuck saying go look. try youtube they seem to have everything
twas the most extreme
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A grizzly bear is supposed to be the most dangerous & formidable land predator on Earth. Have any of you seen Project: Grizzly? A swat from his paw is like the equivalent of getting hit with a 500 pound weight!
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Edit: But even so, I maintain that you need to do more than make half-hearted claims/assertions if you want what you say to be considered as a serious argument.
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im not trying to make half-hearted claims here tho. i told you im on my work computer which limits what i can do here (i.e. go to certain sites like youtube, google, or even animal planet) so i cant post anything here right now to prove my claim.
but what i can do (and have been trying to do) is try to get you to look yourself to see it. you have the show title and episode number and title so you could probably youtube it.
if i seem to be dodging or just stating random things and not backing them up i do apologise but i cant post while at work
i could wait til im off to post them but i figured we could continue this without having to wait 4 hours til im off
The part you are talking about happens at about 1:30 in the clip.
The weight being lifted by the gorilla is 2090 kilograms, or ~4610 pounds.
Yes, the show says this is the weight of two cars, but they don't really clarify what kind of cars, and the cars in the image are quite misleading.
For instance, a Honda Civic, not a standard 4-door sedan, weighs ~2300lbs, so this is reasonable. A sedan, like the Chevy Impala, weighs ~3700 lbs.
So, the gorilla can lift 2 very compact cars, or one normal sized sedan. Anything larger than a Civic, it cannot lift 2 of.
Additionally, watch the clip. This is not a very educational program. I imagine 2090kgs represents much closer to a theoretical maximum that gorillas might lift, not an accurate representation of how strong they are.
I don't really think it matters. anything that the strength would allow the gorilla to do would, IMHO, be negligible given it has to come in close to the bear, and gorillas don't seem to have much in the way of protection that would prevent massive damage from the bear's teeth or claws, and no real way to bypass the bear's hide, which can stand up to the blows of other kodiaks.
gorillas are known to uproot trees and have fairly advanced tool use, so there might be something there, however I'm unaware of them ever using this for combat or utilizing a log as a weapon. we're it able to do that, it might even the odds a bit.
Jun 20th, 2012 02:54 PM
thats not nice
