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Originally posted by carver9
@kurupt...

I don't think shields would work... flash could easily vibrate through it. Tp doesn't work on them either... this was proven when the martian tried to tp blast flash and flash accelerated his brain cells. Omni blast wouldn't wrk either,... they could dance around that attack. These are beings that lives within a second... those blast would be moving in slow motion to them.

You also forgot about flash being able to steal thanos speed. He can start the fight off like that which would make thanos a statue and then proceed at destroying a standing still, no moving thanos all day if he wants. Thanos would eventually get koed after taking millions of high level superman punches.

Surfer exotic powers is the key factor here and he is the reason I am undecided and please don't say thay thanos can do everything the surfer can do because on panel he hasn't shown half of the versatility as the surfer (even though thanos is more powerful).

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
a few things... first... I do of course believe those punches would eventually and maybe even some what quickly hurt Thanos. My assertion is this... If you're going to have someone harder than superman... Tome superman's best punch might not move Thanos.. punching in quick succession certainly would move him backwards.. now of course Zoom could very quickly be on top of his again throwing move punches. Okay.

However, in that time to do so.. Thanos will imo have an opportunity to either raise his shiedls... and or omni directional blast. Why I believe this is for three reaons. First, his shields only require voice activation, touching and or by thought. Pretty quickly they can be raised when you conisder my next point...

his reaction time. Sure, thanos is no speedster one thing he has shown are good reactions time. I'm thinking of the Maker incident with him point blank deflecting her blast (some might say ftl speed or cheetah speed) What we do know is that it would be quick and for him to react to it and deflect it means that's pretty good reaction speed. The others are reacting to FO bull rush. Raising his arm quick enough after thor throws his hammer to stop it cold halfway to him. Lastly reacting to a spped blitz from gayM who had just blitzed surfer with ease.

These reactions will enable him to either raise his shields after a decent amount of shots being taken or to deliver an omni directional blast or lastly to teleport away to regain his composure.

Which brings me to my next point sure flash or Zoom will get punches off against Thanos and quite a bit. The question then becomes IS that enough to KO him and not allow him less than a second (referencing his reaction feats) to either raise his shields, teleport and or fire back. My answer is no. The reason being...Thanos durability.

Which I shouldn't really even need to reference right? We're talking imo what would be almost exponentionally amount more than what these guys can deliever. All of which lead me to believe that since I can't recal him ever being KO'd from blunt force trauma and if he has.. it's been so very rare. Upon not getting KO'd and a genius (far smarter than anybody in this fight) he will figure out exactly what needs to be accomplished and the best course of action to do so. Might you.. very quickly.

Now this is to say nothing of surfer who himself is really really quick.. quicker than thanos which very very good durability. Who like Thanos is exponentionally for versatile than either of these wo. They have so many exotic abilities at there disposal it's sick. They can matter manipulate the area.. Thanos could easily try TP assaults opon either and very likely succeed. This again woudl be not after 10 seconds. He does these things in seconds with thoughts as an mutant Eternal. Which lastly brings me to my next point..

Sure these guys are really fast.. crazy fst and pack a punch... Team 1 can take punishment.. but team two... not even close to the same. If there is the slighest of openings which I believe there will be for both.. and they make contact with a blast, punch, omni or whatever... game over. We've seen Zoom tagged and even restrained. Will be easy no.. will team two pummer team 1 for a bit, sure. Will team one eventually react and get off their shots, yes. At that point imo team 1 wins.

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Originally posted by BobbyD
This fight is over before the "O" in the word Go sounds.

To move that fast requires thought processes that are even faster. Neither on Team 1 can perform at this speed level.

In the constructs of this thread, with no BS, Team 2 wins.

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Originally posted by janus77
Surfer solos.

he's just as fast if not faster, and infinitely superior in power and durability.

Surfer IMPs their heads off.

can't speed steal from Surfer, it's the Power Cosmic not regular energy.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
I think Thanos's telepathy would be the key to victory (particularly since it's not dependent on motion). If he gets in the speedsters heads and creates an opening it's curtains.

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Originally posted by snowdragon
These 2 guys throw up a shield around zoom and wally that changes based off their energy signatures and make them hamsters in balls.


whatever they want to do in those shields afterwards wins

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Originally posted by D_Dude1210
This thread basically means that they take away SEVERAL of the means where T1 would basically stomp while completely unrestricting T2.

Nice. Fair thread.

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Originally posted by illadelph12
I think Thanos's telepathy would be the key to victory (particularly since it's not dependent on motion). If he gets in the speedsters heads and creates an opening it's curtains.

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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Would he have the time to initiate it?

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Originally posted by Parmaniac
Even if, Flash has already shown that he can outrun TP attacks, without CIS/PIS he definately will.

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Originally posted by Parmaniac
Even if, Flash has already shown that he can outrun TP attacks, without CIS/PIS he definately will.

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Originally posted by Prep-Man
Team 2 would get some wins. Speedsters are formidable without holding back.

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Originally posted by Prep-Man
Surfer is a snail compared to Flash.

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Originally posted by janus77
you can't steal speed, just because they invent a nonsensical (by both absolute and relative standards in this case) power for Flash, it doesn't mean it trumps a +universal+ force in Marvel 616.

the Power Cosmic is what runs through Surfer, it empowers everything about him, including his kinetic output (just a name for an emanation of the Power Cosmic).

Further, Surfer has mapped galaxies whilst moving at trans-warp speeds. he's covered lightyears in seconds/fractions of a second.

he's clearly fast enough, which is why it is always a stomp in his favour whenever he faces Flash or his derivatives (Zoom's time trick means little as Surfer can manipulate chronal energies to mitigate against it or just through up a shield and look into the future then omni blast the runt out of it!).

Surfer solos 10/10.

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Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer/Thanos releases a planet-wide omnidirectional blast.

Zoom/Flash outruns it cuz it moves at light speed (w/c is pretty damned slow to him).

Sadly he runs out of places to run to and fries when the Omni-blast closes in.

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
flash has run to the end of the universe, there definitly not going to run out of space to run

also these guys are fast enough to vibrate through the blast

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Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer/Thanos releases a planet-wide omnidirectional blast.

Zoom/Flash outruns it cuz it moves at light speed (w/c is pretty damned slow to him).

Sadly he runs out of places to run to and fries when the Omni-blast closes in.