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Thanos would have a harder time eating a meatball sub than beating Frieza.


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Originally posted by Parmaniac
Dabra begs to differ


Dabora affected people much weaker than him.


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Dabora affected people much weaker than him.
than who?


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than who?


Than him.


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Say his name man I'm drunk I really can't follow at the moment. But I have a feeling I can bust your argument.

frieza?


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Thanos would have a harder time eating a meatball sub than beating Frieza.
Meatball sub jump!!!


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against a defensless planet? no

fail

the cell games were due to cell's cockyness which he enharited from vegeta, this led to his downfall just like vegeta


So you don't have anything showing that thanos could generate more power and the sad thing is... you are using a one time feat.

I know the cell games were due ti his cockyness but you don't understand the fact that the "writer" put those words incell mouth so he must believed it. Hyperbole doesn't exist in dbz or any other manga.


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Frieza at less than 1% of his power shooting nuclear explosions.

Fast forward to 3 minutes and 48 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JmY...feature=related

Your turn.


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Originally posted by Parmaniac
Say his name man I'm drunk I really can't follow at the moment. But I have a feeling I can bust your argument.

frieza?


LOL... getting drunk on Christmas... good stuff. No, what I am saying is dabora affected people far less than himself so yes, he could affect Frieza as well but the thing is, you all cant even prove that Thanos is more powerful than Frieza for matter manipulating to work.


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6 minutes and 29 seconds, Goku punching at Frieza and Frieza completely vanishing from Gokus eyes, a being that could see at super human speeds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JmY...feature=related


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It still debunkers your argument that matter manip means shit in DBZ.


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DBZ characters....ah what a interesting case. Well Im a DBZ fan and I always wondered how they would handle against mainstream comic characters. Afer much consideration i think I found where they would fit in the overall scheme of mainstream comics and in this paricular case, how someone like Frieza would handle agaisnt Thanos. Now Ill state right now that I think Thanos would take this 10/10 but Ill explain why.This is jusy my 2 cents of course but hopefully you guys will agree with me on some points...so here we go.

The 1 unique attribute nearly all DBZ characters have is there incredible movement speed. They can move invisably fast which causes them to appear "invsiable" to the human eye upon making movements, especially in regards to combat. This quality is only really seen in mainstream comics in the form of characters that are"speedsters",and its more prone to DC characters then marvel characters. Thanos doesnt fit the description of being a speedster and infact is quite often protrayed a s brick in a lot of his fights. By that token alone, it would be highly doubtful he could ever lay a hand on Frieza much less keep up with him.

Now while Frieza has Thanos beat in speed....thats pretty much all he has going for him in this fight. The biggest issue DBZ characters have is a quantifiable measure of speed,strength,durability and power output. We can observe from the common pattern of DBZ fights that a higher power level equates to stronger physical attributes (speed,durability,strength) and more powerful ki output, but knowing where it all specifically falls into especially in direct comparison to mainstream comic characters is hard to determine. We dont really have hard tangiable evidence to confirm that any DBZ is a class 100 or a planet buster just outside assumption and speculation.

With that said Its in my personal belief that the DBZ top tiers after the Frieza saga are all planet busters and easily above class 100, but thats more or less just based off indirect examples with my own deductions. This same problem applies to the speed of DBZ characters as well, we dont really know how fast they are moving outside just some indirect examples...which in turn provies us with a apeculation but nothing trully conclusive. So if I were to lay it all on the line and break it down, this is what it woud look like:

-Frieza is faster but we dont know how fast he moves
-We dont know the power behinds Frieza's ki blast
-We dont know the status of Frieza's physical attributes

Now sure we can all give rough estimates and assume his abilities, but it isnt anything that can be verified with absolute assurance. Therefore Frieza doesnt really hold a lot of wieght in this fight due to the fact that we dont have a exact measure over his power in a matter that is"conclusive". Thanos on the otherhand is different, we know his powerset and we know where it starts and where it finishes.

Thanos could erect a force field (same kind that withstood multiple blast from Galactus), he could use his incredible TP and could probably one shot him based of the strength feats we can observe from Thanos which easily puts him well above class 100. Now some could say"how well Thanos even touch him"which I agree is a good point, but we dont even know how fast Frieza moves and if its beyond what Thanos is able to track or react to. Additionally we dont know the strength behind Frieza's attacks and ki blast and if its something that would harm thanos to the slightlest (who has tanked skyfather strikes/blast).

Bottomline, we can verify Thanos is skyfather based off what we can observe "conclusively"....the same can't be said for Frieza who "could"possibly be mid herald at best. Thanos 10/10

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It still debunkers your argument that matter manip means shit in DBZ.


I agree


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Carver calling any large explosion "nuclear" just makes me angry.


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So you don't have anything showing that thanos could generate more power and the sad thing is... you are using a one time feat.

I know the cell games were due ti his cockyness but you don't understand the fact that the "writer" put those words incell mouth so he must believed it. Hyperbole doesn't exist in dbz.
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Originally posted by Rhiaggo
DBZ characters....ah what a interesting case. Well Im a DBZ fan and I always wondered how they would handle against mainstream comic characters. Afer much consideration i think I found where they would fit in the overall scheme of mainstream comics and in this paricular case, how someone like Frieza would handle agaisnt Thanos. Now Ill state right now that I think Thanos would take this 10/10 but Ill explain why.This is jusy my 2 cents of course but hopefully you guys will agree with me on some points...so here we go.

The 1 unique attribute nearly all DBZ characters have is there incredible movement speed. They can move invisably fast which causes them to appear "invsiable" to the human eye upon making movements, especially in regards to combat. This quality is only really seen in mainstream comics in the form of characters that are"speedsters",and its more prone to DC characters then marvel characters. Thanos doesnt fit the description of being a speedster and infact is quite often protrayed a s brick in a lot of his fights. By that token alone, it would be highly doubtful he could ever lay a hand on Frieza much less keep up with him.

Now while Frieza has Thanos beat in speed....thats pretty much all he has going for him in this fight. The biggest issue DBZ characters have is a quantifiable measure of speed,strength,durability and power output. We can observe from the common pattern of DBZ fights that a higher power level equates to stronger physical attributes (speed,durability,strength) and more powerful ki output, but knowing where it all specifically falls into especially in direct comparison to mainstream comic characters is hard to determine. We dont really have hard tangiable evidence to confirm that any DBZ is a class 100 or a planet buster just outside assumption and speculation.

With that said Its in my personal belief that the DBZ top tiers after the Frieza saga are all planet busters and easily above class 100, but thats more or less just based off indirect examples with my own deductions. This same problem applies to the speed of DBZ characters as well, we dont really know how fast they are moving outside just some indirect examples...which in turn provies us with a apeculation but nothing trully conclusive. So if I were to lay it all on the line and break it down, this is what it woud look like:

-Frieza is faster but we dont know how fast he moves
-We dont know the power behinds Frieza's ki blast
-We dont know the status of Frieza's physical attributes

Now sure we can all give rough estimates and assume his abilities, but it isnt anything that can be verified with absolute assurance. Therefore Frieza doesnt really hold a lot of wieght in this fight due to the fact that we dont have a exact measure over his power in a matter that is"conclusive". Thanos on the otherhand is different, we know his powerset and we know where it starts and where it finishes.

Thanos could erect a force field (same kind that withstood multiple blast from Galactus), he could use his incredible TP and could probably one shot him based of the strength feats we can observe from Thanos which easily puts him well above class 100. Now some could say"how well Thanos even touch him"which I agree is a good point, but we dont even know how fast Frieza moves and if its beyond what Thanos is able to track or react to. Additionally we dont know the strength behind Frieza's attacks and ki blast and if its something that would harm thanos to the slightlest (who has tanked skyfather strikes/blast).

Bottomline, we can verify Thanos is skyfather based off what we can observe "conclusively"....the same can't be said for Frieza who "could"possibly be mid herald at best. Thanos 10/10


There is a lot wrong with this post but I'm going to help you out.

We have feats of how strong, durable, and fast DBZ characters are... let me help you out.

As a child, Goku was in front of a huge boulder that weighed at least a couple of 100s of tons (the size of roshi house) and Goku moved it with ease and again, this was him as a child. Then he lifted up a being that he stated that it felt like he was punching a mountain. He lifted him up and almost tossed him outside of the city and again, this was Goku as a child. Then we have Goku walking in a house and then getting hit upside the head with an ax with broken into a dozen pieces. So that takes care of Goku as a child. He has a 100 ton feat, he has skin that is stronger than steel, and during that time he had bullet timing speed and he also had enough power to match someone that casually destroyed a moon. Hell, Master Roshi stated that Goku was far powerful than him by the end of dragonball.

Now, by DBZ time, Goku became much more powerful than his moon busting power, much more stronger than his 100 ton feats (as a child and at his weakest) and much more durable. He was getting punched through mountains and walking it off. He was over powering blast that was stated as being planet busting power and he was moving so fast that time itself stopped.

Its not hard to gauge their power levels, just like its not hard to tell how strong thanos is even though he doesnt have lifting feats.


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Carver calling any large explosion "nuclear" just makes me angry.


Lol... you are hilarious omega. I'm posting all of his out put of power feats and nukes has damaged heralds on many of occassions and numerous of nukes would take its toll on thanos.

I'm about to post his feats of atomic bomb destruction and him splitting the planet into 1/3 with just two fingers.


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How do you guys think thanos would fare aganist a destrocto-disc?


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How do you guys think thanos would fare aganist a destrocto-disc?
That attack is hax it damaged people FAR above Krillin himself.

So I'm not sure, I wouldn't be suprised if it hurts/cuts him.


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That attack is hax it damaged people FAR above Krillin himself.
Freiza has also used it.


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