I think it just comes down to movie making limits. If they'd gone with the mechanical web shooters, they would have had to go out of their way to portray Peter as some kind of super genius (which he is in the comics), which isn't what they were really going for in the Raimi movies, imo. Peter was "smart", but it takes an entirely different kind of smart to create a substance from scratch that acts in a manner similar to webbing and is impressive enough to hold steel, and stuff. I think Raimi was worried about the audience's suspension of disbelief.
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Raimi didn't want Peter to use organic webbing in his films. Originally, Raimi wanted Peter to use both organic and mechanical webbing. How is that possible, you might ask? I didn't understand either. But then, Raimi explained in further detail the idea he had. The spider would have given Peter organic webbing. However, Peter wouldn't have been able to control it so he would have made a mechanical webshooters that would help him control his webbing. Raimi was forced to abandon this idea by Sony. So if you want to blame anyone here for the organic webbing, blame Sony.
The Green Goblin's suit wasn't Raimi's idea either. Dafoe was supposed to wear a similar costume to the one in the comics. But wearing the costume Raimi had in mind wasn't too comfortable for Dafoe so Dafoe asked Sony to ask Raimi to make a new Green Goblin costume so Raimi was forced to use that Power Rangers suit instead. You should do research, Mr Parker.
And do you really hate the first two Spider-Man films just because of the organic webbing? Everything else from the comics is still there in the first two Raimi films (except a good Mary Jane and a Spider-Man that is a wisecracker) so they're not that bad.
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I had no idea that he was supposed to be having mechanical webbing. I don't even like that idea. For me it's more plausible that his genetics were effed by some crazy spider than having webbing that probably weighed him down, and probably wasn't as effective. I've never read the comics, obviously, but as a movie goer I was totally fine with what was done. And I'll probably be okay with the mechanical approach too if done right.
I worried just by the shots of him swinging through the air. Unless they will cgi him later but even him running through the streets look like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMcCt2Ag4Sg
He builds them because he's super smart at the age of fifteen in the comics. He never had organic webbing. Only until recently, a story arc called Other, did he have organic webbing and stingers that come out of his forearms. Though that all changed due to a retcon. So, long story short, he built them as a kid, a webbing liquid that dissolves in an hour or so.
Having to utilize web cartridges added a sense of danger to readers back then that he could by chance run out in mid-fight and so on. What many are trying to state though, is that mechanical web shooters are the norm for Spidey, seeing him without them is odd, I suppose. Doesn't really matter to me if the movie is entertaining.
to that logic,no spiderman movie should have been made then because the WHOLE thing of spiderman is unbelieveable,there are things in these movies that are far more absurd than that and requires MORE of a suspension of disbelief so that holds no water. it was done because Raimi was too damn lazy to include them and take the extra time it would take to explain them,thats all.
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I will NEVER become a MAN-SPIDER fan.I for one unlike thousands of others, were not willing to be happy and excited to finally see a spiderman movie made and be happy with it just because the name spiderman is on the screen and a guy is dressed in a spiderman outfit swinging around.
ah no,it was a LOT more than just organics that ruined those movies for me.the organics were just a side note on WHY those movies were so horrible.there were tons of other things about the movie i hated far worse than the organics which ruined the movie for me.I knew the movies would suck,i knew if they allowed something so stupid as that,they would do many other stupid things with it as well such as Peter knowing mary jane since grade school for example.that was just plain stupid,another moronic and unnessary change.
people make the mistake that just because i hate organics because it rapes to death his character,that i want the movies to be exactly like the comicbooks which is totally untrue. I dont mind changes just as long as they are reasonable like I did not mind it that Peter met mary Jane in the movies first before Gwen,or that he met her in high school instead of college,THOSE are reasonable changes that arent that big of a deal.BUt knowing Mj since grade school and organics? How pathetic can you get? Plus,if your objective,and you actually take time to get past how great the special effects are,especailly the second one with the fight with doc ock,you'll see how horrible these movies REALLY are,that they really look like they were written by a five year old. seriously.I could send you a link to a thread from here from the past by pm where I gave my reasons on why the movies were so bad and why I bashed them if you like? at least then you'll know my REASONS for why i find these movies to look like they were written by some 5 year old.
Him knowing MJ since grade school isn't a major change. The important part is that they stay true to the PERSONALITIES and MOTIVATIONS of the characters. THAT is the most important part of a character. As long as they got that part right, I am fine with small changes such as Peter knowing MJ since grade school.
It isn't Raimi's fault that the films had organics instead of mechanical webshooters. Blame Sony for that. I do admit that they should have used mechanical webshooters instead of organic webbing. The major thing wrong with Spidey's character in the Raimi franchise is that he wasn't a wisecracker. Other than that, Raimi's take on the character wasn't that bad. I would have liked to see Spidey use his brain in battles more (just like in the comics). But overall, Raimi's films were pretty decent Spider-Man films. They didn't capture all important aspects of the characters like how Nolan's Batman captured all important aspects of Batman. But they were still good Spider-Man movies (except 3). Spider-Man 1 was ok. Spider-Man 2 was great. Spider-Man 3 was garbage.
Stop treating Raimi's films as if they raped Spidey to death. You seem to think that they are equally as bad as the Burton/Schumalker Batman movies and they're FAR superior.
And how do you hate organics but don't mind the reboot's costume? The costume looks terrible and stupid IMO.
Last edited by spidermanrocks on Feb 4th, 2011 at 02:58 AM
Whats wrong about organic webbing? It could happen that he got the webbing as a power. I mean Spiderman has super strentgh, durability, speed, healing by the spider bite why not the webbing? I really dont understand why you are bitching so much about it.
You should be more upset about Spiderman 3, well that was a movie to complian.
In the reboot Iam not very happy with the Costume. This is more important than the web shooters imo. And what the hell is happening here
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I dont mind changes just as long as they are reasonable like I did not mind it that Peter met mary Jane in the movies first before Gwen,or that he met her in high school instead of college,THOSE are reasonable changes that arent that big of a deal.BUt knowing Mj since grade school and organics? How pathetic can you get? Plus,if your objective,and you actually take time to get past how great the special effects are,especailly the second one with the fight with doc ock,you'll see how horrible these movies REALLY are,that they really look like they were written by a five year old. 
seriously.I could send you a link to a thread from here from the past by pm where I gave my reasons on why the movies were so bad and why I bashed them if you like? at least then you'll know my REASONS for why i find these movies to look like they were written by some 5 year old.
