Seems like the first teaser you posted directly ties-in to the second one. I wonder if there's any additional dialogue in between..?
Anyway, very interesting. Seems like the Engineer actually understood what Weyland was saying, and didn't appreciate the fact that he put himself/the human race in the same league. Can't say I blame the Engineer, though... I'd probably get pissed if an ant came up to me and said that it was my equal. /shrug
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Last edited by Galan007 on Sep 18th, 2012 at 10:40 PM
(including the final fight scene with Shaw and the Engineer)
While I like some of the deleted stuff, I can kind of see why Ridley cut it. The Engineer needed to maintain some mystery rather than speaking and being overexposed, etc. And I saw an interview with Ridley where he explained why he cut the final Engineer/Shaw fight and it's because the Engineer being taken down by a mere ax seemed to diminish his aura, his powers. After being shown to be such a powerful badass in his cockpit (knocking people clear across the room) he gets taken down by a mere woman with an ax?? Yeah, that wouldn't really make much sense. I liked the part with Shaw swigging the vodka and giving herself the injection though, and some shots of Shaw running/hiding from the Engineer would have helped add some tension, so I wish they had incorporated some of that. But otherwise, I agree with many of the editing decisions. I also think leaving it a bit more open-ended as far as why Weyland thinks he's worthy of eternal life was a better move than simply because he "created" a robot in his image.. that went a bit silly. Leaving it open makes you wonder lots of things: is he afraid of dying? is he just enjoying his wealth and power so much that he doesn't want it to end? does he fancy himself a god worthy of eternal life? There's not one definitive answer when it's left open. Could be a combination of all of said explanations...
Well we shall see when we arrive in Paradise...
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Last edited by Patient_Leech on Sep 19th, 2012 at 02:22 AM
Well I think that the scenes were awesome and should have been re-added. Loved the scenes between the captain and the almost- certainly-replicant chick. Piano Bladerunner reference. Good acting and pacing, and style to it.
More trademark Ridley Scott moments of beauty and horror in the final fight too with the engineer/chandelier etc
Shaw didn't 'take down' the engineer...he kept coming...and the squid hugger trumped him still.
If diminishment was a concern, I think its better that he took those axe wounds and still put up a fight against the squid thing. More badass that way, imho.
Hmm... I think all of the Engineer stuff should have been in the film. I like the extended talk as it gives Weyland some much needed depth and makes the Engineer's attack to be less abrupt and more deliberate.
The fight is cool and really well done. And, once again, the theoretical cut seems far to abrupt with the Engineer just charging in and dying pretty much instantly. Sure, Shaw driving it off with the ax may take away from the Engineer's awe and power but having the squid kill it does as well so it's not to big of a deal IMO.
I know it seems like the extra scenes would add a whole lot, but I've come to the conclusion that they really wouldn't have made the movie any better. In fact, some of them would have made it worse. The way the Engineer bursts into the escape pod rather than just wandering in before the fight with Shaw is much more menacing and intense. Sure, I would have liked to hear the Engineer speak and see Shaw sip the vodka and inject her self, but it really doesn't add anything to the film. The film is more streamlined and concise and just a touch more... ambiguous. I think the subject matter demands that mystery.
The mystery would have still been very much intact had the Engineer/Weyland dialogue not been cut. As someone else said, it would have helped give both characters some very much needed depth... I, for one, never understood why the Engineer woke up from stasis and almost instantly went berserk on David/Weyland in the first place. Seems like a race as evolved as Engineers would have been a smidge more... Civilized. But after seeing that scene, I know why he went on a rampage. /shrug
I am glad that the scene where Shaw uses an ax(why the phuck was an ax laying around anyway?) to chop away at the Engineer was deleted-- it would have somewhat diminished the Engineer's 'awe-factor' for me. Personally, I view them as beyond petty hand to hand conflict, so it would have been pretty lackluster for one of them to be brought to its knees by a human woman wielding an ax, imo. However, it is also a double-edged sword, because that scene desperately needed more backstory, as the Engineer barreling in and attacking Shaw made it seem pretty barbaric (again), and really didn't make a whole lot of sense to me...
Anyway, what was Shaw injecting herself with? Painkillers?
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"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."
Nothing in english.
David translated.
"why are you here" "what do you want?"
"Why?" in response to Davids having told him that Weyland wanted to live forever.
Weyland assumes that the engineer is a God cause it creates lifeforms with genetics, and because Weyland created David (and his sister) he claims similar godhood.
The engineer then rips David's head off and beats the self-proclaimed god's head in with David's severed head.
I couldnt understand what Weyland said as last words til today either...it appears to be "theres nothing"
To which David responds "I know. Have a good journey Mr.Weyland"
In the case of the axe: It was probably there to break glass or open the doors in case of door system failure. Basic firefighting equipment.
The 'petty hand to hand conflict' was shown immediately to Weyland, David and all the crew in the ship. Despite what Weyland said, the Engineers aren't deities. They are mostly human. They have fear, anger, and other emotions, by the looks of it.
We are more 'evolved' than monkeys and dogs.. yet we fight wars etc Where does it say that evolvedness has anything to do with morality/non-emotion pure logic etc etc?
They love to mess around with the most savage bioweapons imaginable, infilcting them on whole planets/species... are they really emmisaries of peace?
Shaw had a ceasarian like 30 hour before then....mucho pain.
Painkillers were logical.
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Last edited by Sadako of Girth on Sep 19th, 2012 at 04:53 PM
I just replayed the scene a few times, and to me it sounds like Weyland said: "Yes... I see." /shrug
I don't think you understood what I was saying. I have no problem whatsoever with the Engineers waging war with entire planets, via bio-weaponry-- if you recall, I never said they were emissaries of peace. I just found the scenes in which the Engineer attacked Weyland(and co.), as well as Shaw, a bit brutish given the technology at its disposal. Regardless, I don't even mind the Hulk-like nature in which the Engineer attacked them, but I just wish more emphasis would have been placed on why it attacked them in that manner (not cutting the full Engineer/Weyland scene would have helped, imo.)
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Last edited by Galan007 on Sep 19th, 2012 at 05:15 PM
That was a comment on how "any preconceptions on what a more evolved race must be in our assumptions must be dropped here" seems the mantra of the movie... paired with implied subplot about Earthwide punishment for a 2,000 year old crime
Well now you're getting into why they targeted earth for annihilation too, which seems to go towards the 'we killed their boy Jesus' thing that seems to have been hinted at widely throughout.
As far as Weylands last words, I guess the subtitles will tell on DVD/Bluray release...but thats what it sounds like to me, and would make more sense contextually, to me too..
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Last edited by Sadako of Girth on Sep 19th, 2012 at 05:54 PM
Well to be fair to you, he was really groaning/whispering/rasping...not easy...Im always working with sound, but that took me a fair few rewatches to get..
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