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Liam Neeson returns for The Clone Wars!
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queeq
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No idea... When do you think that was?


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I like the mysticism, the idea of devotees of the force, a sensical depiction of balance, and the breakdown of the Sith/Jedi metaphors....


Its just the way its presented....an ever-changing planet, the Pandora rocks, shapshifting monsters, grabbing lightsabers????


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Here is the thing that bugs me though, hasn't the term Force-wielder been used to refer to the Jedi and/or Sith in the past?


That thought had also crossed my mind. I don't believe it was used in the OT or PT, but rather in the EU (I think Karen Traviss liked using it).


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I've heard the term used, just dont remember where.


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Prolly EU.


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On the force Balance thing:

I always thought, without seeing those GL quotes, that that is exactly what is meant by "balance." I never thought it was a yin and yang. Even in the EU, some believe the force to be "neutral" and the evil "quick and easy" path of selfishness and "unrighteousness" was an imbalance to the "neutral" force. This is why there was a prophecy that there would be a Chosen One to bring balance back to the force: the Sith approach to the force is "unnatural" and an abuse of the force and it creates and imbalance. Balance would be the natural equilibrium sustained by and with the force well before things such as "Sith" and "Jedi" existed. The original Jedi approach to the force was to use it for good and the betterment of all: not for personal and selfish reasons of "I am better than you." This would be a balanced, natural, approach. This is what it means to bring balance to the force.


[rant]Deeper into the rabbit hole: Of course, we could argue that helping all to live peacefully or happily is actually a selfish reason, in the end, and that would be a legitimate sociological assessment for altruistic behaviors, meaning, it is still a selfish reason for using the force, and, therefore, is still not bringing balance to the force. More directly, the Jedi are not a balance to the force, either: they are an unnatural drain upon the force that rationalize their abuse of the force through seemingly altruistic motives; but, in the greater picture, they are just using the force for selfish reasons, as well. But how far is too far when talking about the rules of a fictional galaxy?[/rant]





Back to the thread: I had no idea that Neeson and Lucas had some bad mojo between them?


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That had something to do with Episode III and Neeson not making an appearance as planned, there. Or so it goes.

Agreeing with the 'Force being mystical' comments above. I enjoy when things have a certain magic to them... while the outright 'CONJURE THINGS FROM NOTHING' Force powers of the Witches somewhat irked me, I do like that the Clone Wars has stepped in that direction with it. It has surprised me.


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I agree with that. I added a storylne with a certain depth and unexpectancy away from the usual suspects. Was about time.


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On the force Balance thing:

I always thought, without seeing those GL quotes, that that is exactly what is meant by "balance." I never thought it was a yin and yang. Even in the EU, some believe the force to be "neutral" and the evil "quick and easy" path of selfishness and "unrighteousness" was an imbalance to the "neutral" force. This is why there was a prophecy that there would be a Chosen One to bring balance back to the force: the Sith approach to the force is "unnatural" and an abuse of the force and it creates and imbalance. Balance would be the natural equilibrium sustained by and with the force well before things such as "Sith" and "Jedi" existed. The original Jedi approach to the force was to use it for good and the betterment of all: not for personal and selfish reasons of "I am better than you." This would be a balanced, natural, approach. This is what it means to bring balance to the force.


[rant]Deeper into the rabbit hole: Of course, we could argue that helping all to live peacefully or happily is actually a selfish reason, in the end, and that would be a legitimate sociological assessment for altruistic behaviors, meaning, it is still a selfish reason for using the force, and, therefore, is still not bringing balance to the force. More directly, the Jedi are not a balance to the force, either: they are an unnatural drain upon the force that rationalize their abuse of the force through seemingly altruistic motives; but, in the greater picture, they are just using the force for selfish reasons, as well. But how far is too far when talking about the rules of a fictional galaxy?[/rant]


Yeah well... Lucas's view is: Balance=good side only.


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That had something to do with Episode III and Neeson not making an appearance as planned, there. Or so it goes.



I thought that was due to a biking accident Neeson had?

I'm google searching the crap out of this and I'm having trouble.


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Poor lad. Need help?


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About the selfishness thing- it's not a belief that GL (or I) share. GL wants good guys and bad guys. The Jedi are good guys.

As for Liam Neeson- my understanding was that the scene basically just didn't happen in the end. Maybe there was a particular reason; I didn't hear it. Neeson did make some disparaging comments on AOTC though.


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Poor lad. Need help?


lol




Yeah. I really could.


I found one Wookpedia entry that talks about how wooden the acting was due to too much green-screen time without other actors to act off of...and Neeson's dislike of that. But nothing about Neeson getting booted because of personality conflicts, in Episode III. The best I got was Neeson was in a biking accident and he couldn't make the filming so he was mentioned, not shown.


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About the selfishness thing- it's not a belief that GL (or I) share. GL wants good guys and bad guys. The Jedi are good guys.


On, no, I agree whole-heartedly. I was more or less pointing out how far the philosophical approach could be taken when it came to "balance" and "selfishness." It was more of a commentary about altruism not be pure selflessness but a selfish motivation. That's more for the GDF or Philsophy section, but, due to how awesome and deep you can get with GL's fictional universe, it makes you think in those very same ways...especially when discussing the nature of the force.


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Well sure. But I don't belief in that selfishness thing even in real life, so I'll side with GL on that one.


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I think the selfishness theory indeed is a rather academic view. SW is simple though, just good or bad.


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I think the selfishness theory indeed is a rather academic view. SW is simple though, just good or bad.


Yeah, that was where I was going with that. It can be debated into a pulp so we really should stick with what GL said on it...and that was covered nicely, already.


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Sweet.


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We know that GL said, but GL also kind of said what was in this episode too. And despite what GL says..."Only Sith deal in absolutes!" his films may clearly say otherwise.

ANyway, its clear from the preview to the next episode that we're far from done with the whole balance issue. I'm sure they'll continue to do a good job, only to frack it up at the last moment like Savage.

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OMG.... floating rocks.... bioluminant trees.... major major Avatar rip off... Star Wars has reached a new low... it needs other films to copy from.


Because it hasn't been parodying itself for years not? There are so many "parallels" within the series sometimes I just feel its rehash/self-parody. "Hello there!" "Hello there!" "Hello there!"


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Is the son suppose to be evil or the embodiment of the dark side? I sure hope not. It takes away from Palpatine's character.

I don't like the idea of different sides of the force taking forms, if that is where they're going with this.


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Because it hasn't been parodying itself for years not? There are so many "parallels" within the series sometimes I just feel its rehash/self-parody. "Hello there!" "Hello there!" "Hello there!"


laughing out loud


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Is the son suppose to be evil or the embodiment of the dark side? I sure hope not. It takes away from Palpatine's character.

I don't like the idea of different sides of the force taking forms, if that is where they're going with this.


I agree.


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