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Sebastian Shaw as DARTH VADER in ROTJ

The scene where luke looks at his father for the very first time . Is there any difference between the vader in the OOT and the SE ??

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A simple no would suffice.

But maybe for the Blu Ray Lucas will replace him with an old looking Hayden.... wink


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A simple no would suffice.

But maybe for the Blu Ray Lucas will replace him with an old looking Hayden.... wink


I hope not


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As you can see above, they digitally removed his eyebrows for the 2004 DVD. They also altered his eye colour to match Hayden's (although I've never actually noticed this myself).
In the 1997 Special Edition, and all other versions prior to this, Shaw's own eyebrows and eyes were intact...


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Here's a better comparison I made...

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2004 looks better but still there's no need to replace Mr. Shaw, it would be pretty difficult to do I think, doing a force ghost is one thing but doing that...I dunno...


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That comparison does highlight one of the other problems with the 2004 versions - the picture is obviously a lot sharper, but a lot of the mid-tones are lost.
If you look at Luke's hair, most of the detail is gone because the contrast has been pushed too far...


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I wonder how the blu ray will look

Didn't someone die during the making of gladiator so they had to put his head on some other guy or something like that...maybe they could put hayden in ROTJ but I doubt they will


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I wonder how the blu ray will look

Didn't someone die during the making of gladiator so they had to put his head on some other guy or something like that...maybe they could put hayden in ROTJ but I doubt they will


Please don't. if they do that they may as well age ewan and put his head on alec.


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They already put Dooku's head on another body while hes fighting in EPII.
That old guy already looks like hayden

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Shaw dosn't seem to have the scar over his right eye like Hayden had in ROTS. They may just add that next time.


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I wonder how the blu ray will look

Didn't someone die during the making of gladiator so they had to put his head on some other guy or something like that...maybe they could put hayden in ROTJ but I doubt they will


That was Oliver Reed. But they used a an alterante take of a previous scene of him and altered the background where the Romans come in to kill him. Not quite the same. Basically a rotoscope job.


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Please don't. if they do that they may as well age ewan and put his head on alec.


They won't but for some reason they are pushing Hayden on the Star wars fans

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Shaw dosn't seem to have the scar over his right eye like Hayden had in ROTS. They may just add that next time.




That was Oliver Reed. But they used a an alterante take of a previous scene of him and altered the background where the Romans come in to kill him. Not quite the same. Basically a rotoscope job.


I think that fact he got burnt would have gotten rid of the scar, would've burned off. You woulda thought he'd look pretty badly burnt under his helmet considering how he looked in ROTS but he didn't look too bad so...

I wasn't 100% sure how it was done, I just knew he died so they had to find a way to do his last scene


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That is exactly how it was done.

There was an alternate take of Oliver Reed sending Maximus off in the dungeons, saying Shadows and Dust. There was a take where he repeated that line a bit more in a comtemplative manner. It wasn't scripted as a line to be repeated, it was improv... But it worked great as his dying words.
So they took the shot, used a double for filming him on the back. And they rotoscoped the frontal shot from the dungeon, matched the light on the set and there it was. Quite lovely actually and not really CGI-ed.


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Yeah, so that explains the missing scar, doubt Lucas cares much about adding that is as he does about all the effects

It was a really good movie big grin Still love it to this day


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I still love your avatar to this day.


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I think thats what she was doing at the time


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