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tsilamini
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Well I know psionic energy has been described as electromagnetic....


so you would argue magneto could manipulate tk?


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so you would argue magneto could manipulate tk?


TK is psionic energy. Not saying that Flash could affect it for sure.


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same. I suppose simply showing a scan that says "tk energy has mass" would still be inconclusive, the "radiation doesn't cause spider powers" fallacy, if you will


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same. I suppose simply showing a scan that says "tk energy has mass" would still be inconclusive, the "radiation doesn't cause spider powers" fallacy, if you will


At FTL speeds I suspect he could. There is a feat of Jay Garrick taken out The King Of Tears that was some abstract lvl beast. Jay Garrick was going hella fast though.


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the thing is, even beyond him being able to affect Nate, I'd be suspicious of flash using any of these rarer or more exotic moves off the bat. I mean, general knowledge of x man isn't going to be a whole lot of details, and IMHO, Nate will totally **** up flash before he realized that normal blitz punches are ineffective.


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Exodus got crushed by Quicksilver. Nate has no way of reacting to Wally. He's dead.


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Exodus got crushed by Quicksilver. Nate has no way of reacting to Wally. He's dead.


not really. in the QS mini he gets a major amp that he describes as making him as strong as magneto. in bloodties Exodus takes him out at least twice, once while he is running.

if current QS is FTL, he would take exodus, but standard exodus vs classic QS goes to exodus in a major stomp


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Well I know psionic energy has been described as electromagnetic....


I think it's stupid, but it would help explain why technology can be used to amplify psionic powers and why Storm was able to disperse Psylocke's telekinesis with lightning.


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Flash does have the ability to shape Speed Force energy (ala Green Lantern). Its a bit more limited and I honestly don't know the scope of it, but would that give him the ability to control energy - using comic science logic - that has vibrations/speed/movement to it?

I'm asking in hopes that a Flash fan knows. Mungi?


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Flash does have the ability to shape Speed Force energy (ala Green Lantern). Its a bit more limited and I honestly don't know the scope of it, but would that give him the ability to control energy - using comic science logic - that has vibrations/speed/movement to it?

I'm asking in hopes that a Flash fan knows. Mungi?


SF Constructs, he can also accelerate/decelerate subatomic particles, so 'psions' shouldn't be an issue.

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energy manipulation almost never includes tk though. I suppose Grail might be an exception, but most energy manipulators don't seem to be able to control psionics

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SF Constructs, he can also accelerate/decelerate subatomic particles, so 'psions' shouldn't be an issue.


which sub atomic particles compose psionic energy?


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which sub atomic particles compose psionic energy?


Psions.. The theoretical sub atomic particle which gives psionic energy it's name. You've heard of the wave/particle duality?

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Psions.. The theoretical sub atomic particle which gives psionic energy it's name. You've heard of the wave/particle duality?


[citation needed]


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energy manipulation almost never includes tk though. I suppose Grail might be an exception, but most energy manipulators don't seem to be able to control psionics


Magneto, Storm, and Vulcan come to mind. Not that I'm suggesting that the Flash is that powerful, just that it does happen.

I see Nate winning this battle more often than not. As powerful as Wally can be his characteristics and overall intelligence downplay that potential by a lot.


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Magneto, Storm, and Vulcan come to mind. Not that I'm suggesting that the Flash is that powerful, just that it does happen.

I see Nate winning this battle more often than not. As powerful as Wally can be his characteristics and overall intelligence downplay that potential by a lot.


fair enough, I suppose I'm just not aware of any times they have done such

for magneto, you mean outside of his psi resistance?


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fair enough, I suppose I'm just not aware of any times they have done such

for magneto, you mean outside of his psi resistance?


IIRC, Magneto made all the earth psionics less powerful by permanately manipulating the earth's magnetic field - as in Marvel psionic energy is nothing more than part of the electromagnetic spectrum and runs via earth's field apparently.

This and Ironman being able to distort Moondragon's TP so all she heard was static are just some examples of how Psionic energy operates in Marvel.


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IIRC, Magneto made all the earth psionics less powerful by permanately manipulating the earth's magnetic field - as in Marvel psionic energy is nothing more than part of the electromagnetic spectrum and runs via earth's field apparently.

This and Ironman being able to distort Moondragon's TP so all she heard was static are just some examples of how Psionic energy operates in Marvel.


weird...

I'm not arguing it, just that it seems like something a lot of high end energy manipulators are... inconsistant(?)... in their application of?


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Exodus got crushed by Quicksilver. Nate has no way of reacting to Wally. He's dead.
TP, wtf...that has nothing to do with anything other than them having somewhat related powers to the people being discussed.

You're not even trying anymore.


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TP, wtf...that has nothing to do with anything other than them having somewhat related powers to the people being discussed.

You're not even trying anymore.


its also totally out of context


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