To me it seems he's asking if we are using a What if version of a character, to the showings if the mainstream version prior to the What If count for his feats?
Korvac was the instance. People were arguing that Korvac couldn't do something because the What If didn't show that he did it or something to that effect. The argument was Divergent Timeline vs. Alternate Reality. I think someone said that a Divergent timeline means that the change only happened in that instance and that everything from then on couldn't be taken into account, but the stuff that precedes it would still technically be up for grabs.
We don't. But if we're arguing a What If character in a Vs. then what he did in that What if are usable. The question is whether or not anything OUTSIDE the what if is usable or not.
^ If I may make a suggestion, for the most part, What Ifs? almost always are preceded by Uatu or narration pointing at the exact divergence from 616. So, at least for What Ifs?, it should be easy to assume that each character involved has their feats up until the divergence.
Like that What If Dark Reign? began with the exact moment of divergence... where Ares realizes Norman is lying to him about the imminent Siege and Sentry comes in and kills him. 616 history and feats for all characters should be assumed in full right up until that point. Anything after, isn't.
Now some alternate reality stories don't lend themselves well to this because the point of divergence isn't entirely clear... like Earth X or Kingdom Come. But standard What Ifs? should be easy.
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this omnipotence and supremacy issue needs to be addressed.
You can't argue Presence is Supreme or Omnipotent if it's Spite when you put him in a ring no BFR with Cytorrak Galactus, Inbetweener, CK, and Abraxas. And too many people try to exploit this supreme argument.
might as well oblige whomever...sort of; the hulk issue isn't an issue, just step your intelligence game up and name the characters appropriately, or at least put more thought into the OP, please
you at least have a case with sentry as he's quite ambiguous and you have enough feats to separate different "versions" of his power if you so choose to. i personally don't agree to a hard separation (pause).
"green scar" is "world breaker", 'WWH" is the name of the arc. he had the same power right before planet hulk finished all the way till presumably now, though the writing is pretty weird in aaron's comics so far
they mean "green scar/worldbreaker" mindset hulk, who is in synch with banner and in control of his rage. "wwh" was when he was bluffing, "HOTM" was when he was able to let it loose, however "WWH" had everything "HOTM" just curtailed, but if he needs to go there he can.
So would you say that Green Scar, during those events, was incapable of the feats that Savage Hulk did?
Hulk is dynamic, that's the very core of the base character, there are definite splinter-characters that could not access dynamic strength, that had blocks and 'safeties' (get too mad and revert to Banner) etc., but the Hulk is basically Savage Hulk and his mainstream history up to the present, without tech or artifice.
"WWH" starts off with a Hulk that is already in control of his anger and rage, that has long been doing meditation and has the ability to instantly amp to exponentially greater powers (as demonstrated in the preceding arc where he went from having trouble with the aliens to holding the planet together). All the way through the arc, various characters (from Cho to Herc) all demonstrate that Hulk is holding back and unwilling to kill. So every fight was with the safety-on, because - as the arc explicitly stated - Hulk does not kill and he has no intentions of causing any fatalities.
At the end of WWH, we see him drained of all power, thus leading into the events of FOTH - NOT HOTM (not that you'd care much).
But ALL the way through Planet Hulk and WWH, we are told that he IS the WORLD BREAKER, that he was prophesied on Sakaar - his blood gives life etc et - and that if he wanted to he could destroy the world, literally.
And, just after he beats Sentry, we are given a taste of the kind of power he keeps locked up - when he takes a step that shakes the eastern seaboard.
So, if you want to box in a dynamic character, arbitrarily, then in WWH you have a "new character" (since apparently, he's not Hulk - I mean he doesn't share any history with Hulk, so what else but a new character?) who is apparently capable of easily breaking the world, who owned everybody and yet never unleashed fully and only once lost his temper, at which point he fought it back and with the help of satellites amped by the intelligencia he was drained and neutralised.
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