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MACHIDA	1	25.00%
GSP	1	25.00%
JAKE SHIELDS	1	25.00%
BEN HENDERSON	0	0%
MARK BOCEK	0	0%
NATE DIAZ	0	0%
RORY MCDONALD	0	0%
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UFC 129 Predictions and Discussion
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batdude123
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Jake seems like such a cool guy though.

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You're dead to me.

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That was the only way i could phrase it. What I mean is Jake, just like every other grappler he's faced, has tons of credentials and titles and GSP has none. KOS was a D1 wrestling champ, but got out wrestled by a guy who's wrestled for what.....less than ten years? Same with Fitch. Hughs too. They are all more skilled at actual wrestling, but GSP is able to apply it better. I'm sure a lot of it is due to superior athleticism, but whatever. He's going to out wrestle jake, and whatever he lacks in bjj, if anything, he'll make up with superior execution. Isn't he a gracie black belt, too? Under Henzo i think. Maybe not. I hope jake wins though. It'd be a great upset to witness.

Except Jake isn't like every other grappler he has faced, because he is better than all of them.

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The only way I see Shields winning is by a heel hook or a variation of some leg lock. I can't picture him pulling off any other submission.

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Why not?

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Why not?

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Here's one reason.

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Only person he fought with comparable grappling to Jake is Penn, and he's smaller and weaker than Jake with worse wrestling.

So...

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Except Jake isn't like every other grappler he has faced, because he is better than all of them.

And so was GSP. So much better it wasn't even a fight. GSP's grappling was way better than Penn's. Although shields is better than Penn, but not by a lot. Either way....I'm going out on a limb and change my prediction to shields winning.

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pulling for jake

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And so was GSP. So much better it wasn't even a fight. GSP's grappling was way better than Penn's. Although shields is better than Penn, but not by a lot. Either way....I'm going out on a limb and change my prediction to shields winning.

If Gsp's grappling is way better than Penn's, then so is Jake's.

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You're dead to me.

i've been excommunicated from the church of fox. a chaos offer to lose every 5 years. It always makes them better. The gsp who lost to hughs wasn't even related to the gsp who beat hughs. The gsp who lost to serra wasn't the same as the gsp who avenged that loss. Everytime he lost he got 10x better in the area he got beat in. After being submitted, he did the gracie bjj thing and his wrestling got world class. after gettin k.o'd, he got freddy roach and now his boxing is on the way to being world class. Losing makes better. But, seeing my fav super human get beat is gonna suck. He is super human literally. He was on sports science and they said he doesnt produce lactic acid like normal people. That's some captain america shit right there.

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sports science is retarded, dont believe anything they say

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If Gsp's grappling is way better than Penn's, then so is Jake's.

We can't know for sure until jake and penn fight. That's the only reason i can say gsp's was way better. There is proof of it. Until bj and jake fight, i'll just say he's better. But I'm sure you'll be proven right if they do fight.

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Why don't you like sport science?

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I'm more excited for the cruz faber fight than any so far this year. Cruz is my 2nd fav fighter. One of the only guys i've watched from his first fight knowing one day he'd be great. Didn't know he'd be as good a kick boxer, though. I hope he destroys the butt chinned one.

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Why don't you like sport science?

Because it's not science.

This is the same show that said GSP hits harder than Cain and Rampage and kicks harder than Shogun. Every time a new fighter is on the show they hit harder than the last.

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Because it's not science.

This is the same show that said GSP hits harder than Cain and Rampage and kicks harder than Shogun. Every time a new fighter is on the show they hit harder than the last.

Co-sign^

Anatomically, it's impossible for a punch to generate more force than a kick.

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Apr 30th, 2011 04:25 PM

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Me too. A six-year, 15-fight undefeated streak is nothing to sneeze at. Not even the almighty GSP can claim that.

On UFC Primetime GSP even said himself that people who believe he's gonna plow through Shields are just fooling themselves. "If you go in there thinking you're gonna walk all over Jake Shields, then he's gonna walk all over you." - Greg Jackson, GSP's own coach.

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Me too. A six-year, 15-fight undefeated streak is nothing to sneeze at. Not even the almighty GSP can claim that.

On UFC Primetime GSP even said himself that people who believe he's gonna plow through Shields are just fooling themselves. "If you go in there thinking you're gonna walk all over Jake Shields, then he's gonna walk all over you." - Greg Jackson, GSP's own coach.

Everything you just said is verbatim what was said about GSP vs Fitch... and GSP dominated Fitch for five rounds... and Fitch is better than Shields. cool

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What is Fitch better than Jake at, it definitely isn't grappling.

They faced each other in a grappling match and Shields subbed him, granted it was in 05, but I don't see what would change...Shields is still better.

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Apr 30th, 2011 10:37 PM

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Fitch has much better striking and slightly better wrestling. Shields got that submission by pulling guard, and the whole equation gets f*cked with when you add in punches on the ground, ala MMA.

Also, HOLY SHIT @ that spinning backfist.

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