I'm unsure whether you're referring to the comic book or to the myths. Either way, I'd be shocked if Bendis is aware of it.
And I'm pointing out to you that Loki reforming, especially so much in mere moments is utterly ridiculous and stretches the realm of disbelief to it's breaking point. Loki's pretty much irredeemable as far as villains go. This was a noticeable point of Gillen's work. As he is now, Loki could not change, but he had to find a way hence the plan to return as a child. It was a lot more interesting than Bendis' child who played with fire and got burned.
Do I really have to mention Loki conquering and destroying Asgard, killing most of it's denizens, and then rebuilding it in his image? Please don't try the change of heart game with Loki. It's not an argument you'll win. His pretty much gone as far as a villain can go when it comes to crossing the line.
Loki once defended Asgard against Surtur because if the fire demon won, the Universe would be lost. That's as good as Loki gets imo and even then, it was clear where his loyalties lied. He doesn't want to destroy everything. That's one of Loki's good qualities.
I'm so goddamn tired of people who support Bendis making up crap for no other reason than to explain his disregard for continuity. Bendis doesn't give a shit what happens in other books or what has happened in the past. He's a schmuck. It's really as simple as that. Trying to spin this into Bendis getting inspiration from Norse Lore etc. is just....
So what, we ignore his crappy writing in favor of the good?
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Myths. Most people are vaguely famaliar with the myths lets not pretend he doesn't know anything about them just because he did something you don't like.
I'm not sure what you mean by reform. I don't think Bendis was trying to turn Loki into a good guy, all he was doing was showing that he's not pure evil. Considering that Magneto and even Sinestro have shown good qualities I really don't see how that stretches belief that much.
That doesn't prove anything. Look at the stuff that Magneto and Sinestro have done. Yes that proves he wants to conquer Asagard and rebuild it. Bendis's take on Loki is kinda like Sinestro ie in his own mind he thinks hes doing good.
So you think that helps your argument? So the Void was going to destroy Asagard the whole of earth and possibly more makes you think its out of character for Loki to help the heroes. Not even sure if thats the only times hes helped.
Absolutely most people are familiar with Norse myths and sometimes they use it in Thor stories so clearly that couldn't happen with Bendis. Even then I'm kinda throwing that one out but it's certainly possible. Like I said twice now thats not my only argument villains reform or do good things all the time, what Bendis did wasn't that a big deal. I dunno man I would assume that Bendis is fairly well educated and has to be intelligent to be as succesful as he has been in his career. Do you have career? Hell it's not like you haven't said anything stupid before but I guess thats not possible.
No just acknowledge the good and bad. He
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Unfortunately, I don't give Bendis the benefit of the doubt like I do with most writers. He's a straight up lying schmuck who lacks knowledge of what I would have assumed to be common knowledge.
I wouldn't be surprised if he wrote his scripts under a rock or something.
I highly doubt Bendis has any knowledge of Norse myths to the point they influence his work. And even if he does -that is a huge if- how in the hell would that justify what he did with Loki? These are Marvel comic books. I don't give a shit if he read the myths everyday to work, he straight up did a huge 180 on a character that was heading in a very interesting direction. It's not the first time his done it, and it's not going to be the last. The fact that you're so hell bent on deluding yourself that this wasn't just Bendis being Bendis is extremely weird.
You are taking some huge leaps here to excuse what was just straight up bad characterization as I've ever seen it. Nothing more.
I don't think you understand the difference between illustrating some kindness and willingly sacrificing his life for beings he'd have killed himself an issue ago while on his hands and knees in tears, praying to Odin for forgiveness. If
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF A LEAP THAT IS???????
It's like communicating with Carver. Loki was seeking redemption under Bendis.
Lmao what the heck? You just argued that when on the verge of destroying Asgard, he could not do it. I just proved you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.
And stop comparing Loki to Magneto and Sinestro. Just because they are big time villains, that doesn't make them fit analogues. Loki doesn't fight for some higher cause or anything of the sort. Loki fights for Loki. His a self centered, sadistic bastard. He lost whatever kindness he had a while ago.
For a guy who spent the last few thousand years trying to destroy Asgard, for him to suddenly to do a 180 when in the previous appearance it was clear that this was still his goal is a huge and asinine leap.
Do you not understand that there wasn't any type of conflict? That Loki straight up acted like a hero?
I'm starting to think that if Bendis wrote it, you'd be okay with Superman killing a human being. Loki's believe in himself matches that type of greater good.
The more we discuss, the clearer it becomes that you haven't actually read much Thor comics.
That was me pointing out how one would handle Loki fighting for the side of good. The one noticeable time Loki fought alongside good, he did it only for himself. A noble self sacrifice would be something Loki would consider utterly idiotic. He loves himself too much.
Simonson understood the character, it's the reason why Loki said he fights for himself while Thor fought for Odin and Odin fought for Asgard. Loki only intervened because if Surtur succeeded, all of the Universe would go down in flames, including Loki.
The Void was an ugly crustacean with a god complex who was following Loki's plan. Much higher stakes and Simonson handled it much better.
That number of leaps and the benefit of the doubt you're giving Bendis is mind boggling. Is he the father of your child or something?
I honestly don't think you read Bendis' Avengers if you think this was some deep nod at Norse mythology. And even then, it should not affect Marvel's Loki to such a great extent.
Bendis is either extremely lazy, an ******* or an idiot. It's as simple as that. His lied on multiple occasions just so he can look smarter, pulls shit out of his ass out of nowhere, does not do his research etc.
I'm not infallible, not even close, but I can confidently say that based on what I've seen, I would pit my intelligence against his.
Hold on. It was not a big deal? I'm done with this shit.
If you're so certain this was in character for Loki, let's have a battle zone. We'll see how much sense Loki's sacrifice made.
It was clearly stated and besides that it didn't need to. Not my fault you can't comprehend the Void's powers or abilities.
Loki being able to escape through some other means doesn't take away the fact he can't just reform like the Void can when he wants to. eventually he'd find a way back much like any character. Loki's clever enough to find his way back but the Void has the power to will himsel fback to be under his own accord. Huge diff.
Loki can't completely reform on his own from complete annihilation whereas the Void can. End of story.
Your argument has and always will be pathetic. It's like Superman demanding WW to kill him and she does so. That doesn't mean she can when Superman's actively fighting back. Just because you love Thor don't let common sense, logic, and reason take a vacation for your response.
Void can reform from complete annihilation and he didn't because he lacked the desire to exist due to the guilt of his actions of the Bob personality coming through.
Void wrecks Thor when Void wants to. Void/Bob forces Thor to kill him when he wants to. All crystal clear and backed on panel by the writer.
Bendis doesnt even rate in my opinion. Besides the fact that he cant write a bigger event to save his life, he handles characters without any remorse. He just does as he pleases regardless of history or continuity.
I loathe him the most for absolutly ruining the Sentry. Seriously, he had no idea how to write the character. One book he has the power of a God, the next he's running away, crying from some D-list villian. Add the way he just added powers and rewrote orginis, its no wonder the readers hated the character.
Void/Sentry was certainly more powerful than Teth, he actually makes Teth look like a one trick pony. Was he above High Herald? In my opinion he certainly was. The very fact that he was able to reverse Owen Recce's (Molecule Mans) attempt of being nullified tells me all that I would need to know. Teth should not survive an encounter with Robert Reynolds at his best.
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