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MooCowofJustice
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I liked Altair better. Would enjoy moving along with the story past Ezio, as mentioned previously.


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I liked Altair better.


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"I like Altair better" is actually defensible, though puzzling. "Altair is a better character" is demonstrably false.

Realistically, they do need to move forward eventually. As long as this actually continues the story, and isn't just a bonus romp as Ezio, I'm cool with it. An actual backdrop with intrigue is much better than "here's some more maps to explore and towers to climb."

Incidentally, since my time is at a premium these days, what happened in the Da Vinci add-on (which I'm unlikely to play)? Anyone want to spoiler tag it for me?


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Is there something wrong with liking Altair better? Because as I see it Altair is twice the man Ezio has been thus far. Dude defeated a Piece of Eden on his own. You know, without the help of another Piece of Eden.


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Is there something wrong with liking Altair better? Because as I see it Altair is twice the man Ezio has been thus far. Dude defeated a Piece of Eden on his own. You know, without the help of another Piece of Eden.


Altair is a stale, one-dimensional character who's completely de-humanized which makes it hard for the player to connect with him on a personal level. Ezio, on the other hand, actually has emotional depth of character, which makes him a lot more refreshing than Altair.

I could care less about who's got "moar skillz," because the versatility of Assassin's Creed 2 and Brotherhood's gameplay mechanics smoke Assassin's Creed 1.


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"I like Altair better" is actually defensible, though puzzling. "Altair is a better character" is demonstrably false.

Realistically, they do need to move forward eventually. As long as this actually continues the story, and isn't just a bonus romp as Ezio, I'm cool with it. An actual backdrop with intrigue is much better than "here's some more maps to explore and towers to climb."

Incidentally, since my time is at a premium these days, what happened in the Da Vinci add-on (which I'm unlikely to play)? Anyone want to spoiler tag it for me?

I pretty much agree with all this.

And to sate your curiosity, in The Da Vinci Disappearance [SPOILER - highlight to read]: a cult called the Hermeticists kidnapped Leonardo, and Ezio had to find and acquire a collection of Leo's paintings that revealed the entrance to the underground temple they'd taken him to. The Hermeticists needed Leo to find the Pythagorean Unifier for them, a theoretical number they thought would transform men into gods and allow them to perfect the world. Ezio killed them and saved Leo, and together they went into the temple to make sure no one else could find the number. What they found was a set of coordinates meaningless to them, but Ezio sensed that they would be useful for Desmond. They them left the temple, with Ezio musing that no mere number could repair the world.


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Ezio's a walking cliche. I don't understand how that really makes him relatable to as a character.


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Ezio's a walking cliche. I don't understand how that really makes him relatable to as a character.


Cliche of what, exactly?

Altair's hardly more than a cardboard cutout of a character...there's literally nothing to him in the game.


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Thanks GK. Appreciated.


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Cliche of what, exactly?

Altair's hardly more than a cardboard cutout of a character...there's literally nothing to him in the game.
You're talking to the wrong guy, as far as comparing characters. The only character I enjoyed in any of the games is Rosa.


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You're talking to the wrong guy, as far as comparing characters. The only character I enjoyed in any of the games is Rosa.


You still didn't say what exactly Ezio's a cliche of.


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I don't think I can actually name anything that would make Altair any less humanized than Ezio. At the very least, nothing I can name that would allow me to connect to Ezio any more than Altair.


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I don't think I can actually name anything that would make Altair any less humanized than Ezio. At the very least, nothing I can name that would allow me to connect to Ezio any more than Altair.

And you realize that Altair's brooding-badass-jerkass-who-doesn't-play-by-the-rules act hasn't been relevant since the 90s?

Altair got slightly better in Bloodlines, in the story parts where he settled down and started philosophizing in the Codex. Not a lot better, but it was a step up. And ironically the way most people were exposed to his thoughts in the Codex was, well, by reading them as Ezio in AC2.


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I can't see a reason that a word of that makes my post any less significant.


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Because the bland 90s archetype is factually less humanized than the fleshed-out and well-written Ezio.


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You're just overplaying the "90s archetype" now. Once again, I cannot name one single thing that would allow me to relate to Ezio any more than Altair, nor a single thing that would even make Ezio much more well written than Altair.


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And you realize that Altair's brooding-badass-jerkass-who-doesn't-play-by-the-rules act hasn't been relevant since the 90s?

Altair got slightly better in Bloodlines, in the story parts where he settled down and started philosophizing in the Codex. Not a lot better, but it was a step up. And ironically the way most people were exposed to his thoughts in the Codex was, well, by reading them as Ezio in AC2.


And you realize that Altair's brooding-badass-jerkass-who-doesn't-play-by-the-rules act was only prevalent in the earlier stages of the game?

That said, Ezio is indeed a far better character than Altair.


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Ezio is definitely the superior character on just about all fronts. Relatability and cliche's and such don't even have anything to do with it; Ezio's personality was simply more prevalent, more personable, and more charismatic in display, performance, and jus overall execution, which really matters more than whether or not they use something along the lines of cliche'. Altair is just another Samus in that people consider his bland lack of any well-roundedness or personality is somehow seen as being synonimous with an inherent badassery, which it's not.

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Ezio's a walking cliche. I don't understand how that really makes him relatable to as a character.


The irony here is that Altair is a far more blatant cliche character than Ezio is.


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That's not ironic at all, considering I never said Altair was a relatable character. In fact, I specifically said the opposite a few posts up. no expression

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