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Why did Kenobi choose to die?
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General G
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Originally posted by Korto Vos
Because General Kenobi was the "Negotiator," that's how he dealt with things in the CW.

Okay, no, he was expecting Cody and the Clones to arrive soon. He was there to distract the droids from the surprise assault.


He cut off the arm of a drunken patron because he was about to get in a fight with Luke...I think giving Vader (the right hand man of Palpatine) his all would have been a given. And anything could have delayed the arrival of the Clone Army.

I do agree with you, just playing Devil's Advocate, more or less.

As for your second post, OB1 never wanted Luke to redeem his father, he specifically told him to not even try, that his father was dead, consumed by the dark side. He wanted Luke to kill him.


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He cut off the arm of a drunken patron because he was about to get in a fight with Luke...I think giving Vader (the right hand man of Palpatine) his all would have been a given. And anything could have delayed the arrival of the Clone Army.

I do agree with you, just playing Devil's Advocate, more or less.

As for your second post, OB1 never wanted Luke to redeem his father, he specifically told him to not even try, that his father was dead, consumed by the dark side. He wanted Luke to kill him.


Even if did not want Luke to redeem his father, my original point still stands. His sacrifice brought both time and a chance for Kenobi to communicate with Luke at any critical time when Luke needed to rely on the Force to guide him.


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General G
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OB1 was selfish. He was tired of living on a dusty planet for the second half of his life. Not exactly the fate a Jedi Master like him deserves and he knew if he died that he could be with Qui-Gon. The fact that he could converse with Luke after he did this was just a good scapegoat.


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Originally posted by Korto Vos

In retrospect, after watching the PT movies, another reason could be that Kenobi acknowledged his failure in guiding Anakin. He must have realized that Luke would be the master of his own destiny, and that he himself must ultimately learn to do what was necessary.


So he decided to come back as a ghost and haunt him...


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Pretty much.


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In the mans own words :

"if you strike me down i will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine"

Now i don't know what the F*&k he meant by that LOL but i believe him


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Obi-Wan trusted the Force. He felt that it was right thing to do.

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I don't know what the 'more powerful' bit meant... but it sure was a good line.


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I haven't actually watched ANH in a while, but if I am remembering correctly, Luke didn't recognise him very much, and of what he did know of OB1, it was just rumours and stories about an old guy living in the mountains. There are plenty of ways for a Jedi Master to keep an eye on someone without interacting with them.



Nah he clearly knew him, and seemed to look at him like an uncle. My guess would be he used to know him much better as a kid, but at some point Owen got annoyed and decided he didn't want Luke to have anything to do with the Jedi.

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I don't know what the 'more powerful' bit meant... but it sure was a good line.


Lol yes it was. Was hoping they would explain that more in the prequels. Oh well. Dnt always get what we want.

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No... that is quite an understatement.... wink


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Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, the word 'conflict' does not just entail Ben avoiding a fight with Vader, it means avoiding the Death Star all together. Again, it's completely theoretical.


Ben actually went there and eventually saved Vader, showed him how to become a Force Ghost and went to reunite him with Luke after death. Considering how he totally failed to train Anakin as a decent jedi, I think his sacrifice in that regard was kind of needed.


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Indeed.


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I don't know what the 'more powerful' bit meant... but it sure was a good line.


Maybe Georgie had something up his sleeve in ANH that was supposed to be further explored with this line.

But it did not pan out. Luke was in the fight of his life with Vader in Cloud City...Obiwan could have at the very least popped up during that fight, dropped his pants and flashed Vader a view of his wrinkled, glowing @$$ just to provide a distraction.

But he didn't, as he declared on Dagobah if Luke faced Vader prematurely Kenobi couldn't get involved. Something was restricting this (not his choice; he glumly declares that Luke was their last hope before Yoda drops the Leia hint).

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Well, here's the truth:

George hadn't fully written out the force powers with ANH. The lightsabers were used with two hands, instead of one in ANH (for the most part). If OB1 wanted to make it back to the MF, he could have. But George did not want to write it that way. It happened that he ran into Vader as he was running back to the ship. Why didn't OB1 get back to the ship, faster? Why didn't he create a distraction with force push/pull? Again, George hadn't fully written out the force powers with ANH.


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Because Sir Alec Guiness despised Star Wars, so he had George old boy kill off his character so he wouldn't have to play the character very much for the next two movies.


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Because Sir Alec Guiness despised Star Wars, so he had George old boy kill off his character so he wouldn't have to play the character very much for the next two movies.


Yes George being desperate in those days pointed a gun at Sir Alec's head and threatened to kill his whole family if he did not play Obi-Wan Kenobi.

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The lightsabers were used with two hands, instead of one in ANH (for the most part).


They still are used with 2 hands most of the time.

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Maybe Georgie had something up his sleeve in ANH that was supposed to be further explored with this line.

But it did not pan out. Luke was in the fight of his life with Vader in Cloud City...Obiwan could have at the very least popped up during that fight, dropped his pants and flashed Vader a view of his wrinkled, glowing @$$ just to provide a distraction.

But he didn't, as he declared on Dagobah if Luke faced Vader prematurely Kenobi couldn't get involved. Something was restricting this (not his choice; he glumly declares that Luke was their last hope before Yoda drops the Leia hint).


Probably the Force kept him from interfering too much. Ben ultimately helps in the redemption of Vader so his intervention could've messed with Vader doing his own path into redemption.


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Because Sir Alec Guiness despised Star Wars, so he had George old boy kill off his character so he wouldn't have to play the character very much for the next two movies.


No, the real reason was that GL didn't have much for OB1 to do after the Death Star. He was just hanging around after that, not doing much, so he decided to kill him. A good choice IMHO.


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He knew that dying in front of Luke would help to deter him from the dark side, maybe.


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Yeah... causing anguish and heartbreak in someone is the way to keep them from dark thoughts.


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