That's the problem, I want Thor to win, that's why I picked up the best feats I could find of glads and put them here. That's why it is so disappointing that except for the midgard Serpent you haven't show me anything on par with them. And even the Serpent incident could be argued. As Thor was on a ship which has strong enough engines to counter Thors strength+the serpents weight, well that's an impressive ship! But I don't want to lowball it. The serpent one is nice, old, very old, but still nice .
It is, mostly.
I don't because it's idiocy to compare the strike of a fist with a hammerstrike. Mjolnir is a weapon, if you can hit as hard with you fist as with the weapon you wear, you wouldn't need that weapon. And not even you will argue that a hammerstrike is more powerful then a punch, right? And hitting something with Mjolnir or throwing Mjolnir isn't showing Thors real strength, really...
The Dimension was nice but Hercules and Thor did it together and it's not on par with Planetbusting imho. So yes, there should be something else.
I don't want to be mean Rage, but you know as good as me that Mjolnir is making Thors hits much more effective, stronger if you wish. The dimension punch was nice but with Hercules and I hope you have something better.
That would derail the thread and give Thor the advantage because he has more appearances and fought more opponents. Yet you can compare all the Glads vs Thor fights, that's ok. Wasn't Thor koed by Glads?
Yes we are but no Thor didn't win, not in my book and I'm not even a real supporter...
BTW here, speed+size and still stopped, though like your Asgard feat or the dimension feat, not alone .
In what way was that cheap or not truthful? Because I didn't post the entire battle? I've done it plenty of times -would have if requested- and everyone along with their mother has read it.
I posted the only scan relevant to this discussion. Masterson Thor matched Gladiator in strength and yet I'd give Thor the edge over Masterson Thor in terms of strength. It's really that simple.
What does posting the entire fight actually change? It certainly doesn't affect my argument. I never claimed that Masterson Thor beat Gladiator straight up without any outside assistance. For the record, what Masterson accomplished with the Living Lightning was something he'd be capable on his own.
Yes, they are equals strength wise. Gladiator however was a much more experienced and battle savy fighter in comparison to Masterson. That was the entire point of the battle.
Carver would disapprove, that wasn't the 'real' Gladiator, hence why I didn't post it. I participate in this thread with two particular individuals in mind, hoping that they'll eventually grace us with their presence.
It should be noted that Gladiator exposed a weakness no longer present and was going for the kill while Thor was holding back. For the record, I don't think there's any big gap in strength like some of the people on the other side do. I believe it's within Gladiator's capabilities to knock Thor out -at least with some circumstances present- as he is a peer strength wise. But if push comes to shove, Gladiator is eating dirt one way or another.
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Either you clearly havenít been being attention or youíre just being dishonest.
Ah, the smell of desperation.
A great deal of the time, writers use Mjolnir as a substitute for his fists. It makes no difference to me if you want to disregard feats involving it. Just as long as you know that most of the time, if Thor dropped Mjolnir, heíd be able to achieve the same level of striking power.
Thatís an extremely stupid thing to say. Do you think if I gave Wonder Woman Mjolnir, sheíd be able to accomplish what Thor has? Itís Thorís might that provides most of the force for throws and what not unless there's a noticeable charge.
Regardless, Iíll continue to post feats involving it. You donít have to reply to them. Hell, you havenít been actually replying to feats at all.
You posted three feats, saw that you lacked any other showings and as a result are attempting to derail the whole thread with this pointless discussion.
On what grounds do you argue that planet destroying is superior? Have you done the math? Thereís a reason why I placed them on the same level, because theyíre both ambiguous feats on relatively the same scale of power. As stated, Thor/Hercules had the power to wreck worlds.
I have a feeling that if Thor lifted Mount Everest with assistance from Spider-Man, youíd try to invalidate it by saying he had help. Who cares if Hercules aided him? Heís a physical peer and Gladiator destroyed the planet with 4 all out blows. Christ.
No, not at all. I think planetary level force is to Heralds what Galaxy level force is to Skyfathers: the high end rather than the bread and butter. I think lifting mountains and such is what should be considered an average Herald feat.
I just think that you showing Thor struggling with a skyscraper and needing Spider-Man's help to support it for more than a few seconds is probably something you should have kept to yourself and hoped that Glad's supporters didn't dig it up. To me struggling to support a skyscraper is something I'd expect from someone like Colossus or Iron Man. Thor should be lifting mountains
The second one, BRB and Thor working together to lift Asgard with some strain is better than the first, and if it was just Thor I'd consider it a good feat.
But its Thor AND BRB. When I see two top tiers working together to lift/move something I expect it to be something really big, much larger than Asgard which while massive doesn't appear to be larger than a good sized mountain. As it stands that feat isn't particularly impressive, at least not by the standards set by things like Superman towing the Earth or Thor wrestling the serpent.
ďWhere the longleaf pines are whispering
to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo oíer tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
As a result Bill/Thor lifting it without any obvious strain isn't something I have any problem with. It's a decent showing.
I tried to make it a one up type of debate as if I posted Thor's best, the Gladiator side would not be able to match the feats. Clark has moved a planet -with help, today people love pointing that out- but similar to Thor overpowering the Midgard Serpent, it's pretty much a high end showing. For Clark, you could post the scene from Beyond and perhaps another showing or two, but from there you can only go down in terms of scale.
I'm guessing that's closer to your "Superman" standards? If not, then I'm at a loss as you must know some really good feats that I've not come across. I'm not sure how you feel about claims so I didn't include stuff like it being stated that Thor can bench planets and what not.
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