^ And yet, he's made Thor look like a weak feeb, encasing him in mystic mylar. He's taken on Galactus straight up, something Thor cannot do. Mephisto has admitted that he cannot slay Surfer, Doom, Strange, etc. He wants their souls.
Mephisto also admitted defeat to Surfer. You've probably seen the scan, but if not I'll try and locate it..
Regardless, you're saying Mephisto was using illusions/lying against Thor, yet being truthful against Surfer when he claimed his PC is nothing? Sounds like a double standard.
And like you admitted yourself, Mephisto did take on Big G:
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If that's Mephisto's operating power level in his own realm, neither Thor nor Surfer have any business defeating him. At least, not on sheer power.
Surfer never has without resorting to that "pure soul" garbage. But Thor at least stalemated Mephisto fair and square. I even provided the scan. He didn't beat Mephisto, but Mephisto admitted he couldn't beat Thor either and that they'd fight for eternity.
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Which affected his physical body. His soul was released from his physical body. Read the comic, nimrod. Yeah, just play around with him like he does all heroes and tackle opponents far beyond Thor's own station.
Your description of Mephisto's tribulations with Thor echoes Surfer, Strange, Doom, etc. Nothing new. Deal with it.
"You will be mine, one way or another. I shall possess you!"
"by freeing my soul, you've handed me the means to victory."
"I see the truth in it. I-I cannot break him."
Your own scan proves Mephisto isn't trying to defeat Thor, but break and possess him.
And from Thor's words, it sounds like he's not even using a corporal form, but fighting as a spirit/soul. I can buy Thor "defeating" Mephisto by refusing to be broken and indefinitely defy him.
Uhm he was dying and cursed by Hela. His soul was being fought over by two Death Gods. This wasn't a "normal" fight by any means. We saw what happened when a HEALTHY and LIVING Thor took the fight to Mephisto in Mephisto's realm. Mephisto couldn't do jack to him except stalemate him.
Except we have Mephisto stating on panel that he could not beat Thor in a straight up fight where Thor isn't a spirit, cursed or otherwise hampered.
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Dude that was in responsible to OneDumb, Thor was DYING and cursed by Hela. It wasn't a fair fight. That was Thor's spirit that Hela and Mephisto were fighting over.
His body was dying and cursed. His soul retained its vigor. Read the comic. We saw what happened when Mephisto wants to do stuff like beat classic Dr. Strange, tackle Galactus, curbstomp the Avengers, X-Men, FF, etc. He is far above Thor. And Thor retaining his soul against Mephisto is run-of-the-mill fare for most superheroes who tackle Mephisto, particularly Silver Surfer. Come back when you read this fight and you take your head out of your rear end:
Yeah, HIS SOUL. S O U L. It wasn't a fair fight at all. While healthy Thor fought Mephisto to a standstill in his realm. This is not in dispute, this happened on panel. It's not like something I'm making up.
And? Thor and 3 other Thor clones held up the multiverse with their Godblasts. Two Mjolnirs clanging together sent shockwaves throughout the universe. And more importantly, Thor fought that very same demon to a standstill in his realm. No cheating, no handicaps, no amps, nothing but a straight up fair fight.
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Thor's soul is his only saving grace (along with his resolve, I suppose). As it has been before. Thor's physicality and enchanted weapons like Mjolnir are a joke to Mephisto. As are Surfer's power and his Power Cosmic. As is Dr. Strange and his sorcery. Truth hurts. Mephisto took on Galactus straight up. Retconned the 616 universe. Your cherry-picking is infinitely hollow in the face of Mephisto's career. Cling to your hollow "I cannot kill you without forfeiting your soul" victories for all they're worth. Which isn't much.
Mephisto and Galactus operate on far higher stations than you'd care to admit. And it shows when Mephisto treats Mjolnir like a child's toy.
One would be hard-pressed to find a more biased recounting of these two incidents. Let's look at both of these shall we?
1. The opponent is girded for battle, and prepared for a fight
2. The opponent is unprepared for the attack
Yet you want to compare the two and claim this as proof that one is more powerful than the other, whilst ignoring the TRUE ON PANEL comparison of power levels?
Really, I can't imagine a more biased view! Ever heard of a sucker punch? Even the most battle hardened individual can be dropped by a substantially weaker opponent when hit with an attack while unexpected.
But when braced for an attack, that weaker opponent would be hard pressed to even rock the same individual.
This is what we see on panel. However, the resulting offensive strikes tell quite the different story than you attempt to portray:
Odin battles, and battles, and battles some more, even pulling out the big guns to enhance and focus and attacks. While we don't know how much time passed, it was quite obviously a lengthy affair. Several minutes at minimum.
When Galactus attacks Thanos, he attacks once. Pops Thanos' protective shield, (While taking the time to casually compliment him on it) and blasts Thanos while he cowers on all 4, and asks Galactus to stay his hand.
Compare this to Thanos WALKING right through Odins attack and GRABBING his weapon. Do you really think Thanos could have walked right through Galactus attack? Didn't think so...
These 2 scenes show quite clearly that an attack from Galactus trumps an ENHANCED attack from Odin.
At least that's what a non-biased analysis would reveal.
given the rest of both characters' histories, it is safe to assume that thor stalemating mephisto is either mephisto playing the game or a 60 year old case of spider-man vs firelord. a thor vs mephisto in his realm fight would be closed for spite
Yes, Galactus attack trumped Odin's, but Galactus put in a greater quantity of his power into his attack than Odin did. Odin is likewise capable focusing his power into gigantic bursts, but he did not feel the need to against Thanos.
Odin did not fight Thanos as he does Surtur or Seth.
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Really? And where did you pull that information from? Did you read a different issue than I? I seem to recall that Odin felt the need to upgrade to using Gungnir? You're telling me that Odin didn't "see the need" to "focus his power" against Thanos, even though the whole reason he uses Gungnir is to "focus his power!!??"
So while Thanos was WALKING right through his blasts, he just stood there, "and didn't feel the need" to focus his power? lol
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