and about the edo tensei thing, even though this is a cross-genre tournament and the characters we want to resurrect have no binding on their souls so calling them from beyond has no barriar (especially with a mind-link already established), even if simbon got a sympathy vote on the matter, we still have all our characters:
^ nagato can resurrect almost a thousand characters, just resurrecting a handful is a piece of cake
though like i said before, unless we're talking about special cases like doom's mother, mortals can be resurrected from the grave in a variety of ways (for example: elektra/daredevil (mysticism); and strong guy/trevor fitzroy (mutant power of layla miller). though there are many others i don't care to mention atm
kabuto literally just has more to choose from in this scenario, and is not LIMITED to just " the buddhist realm" in this tournament (if it mattered) buddhism is only an influence, not a law
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Unless you are referring to a PM, the only thing Inimalist decreed is that the unkillability of your summons wasn't an issue in relation to defying the unkillable rule, and that Joseph is high meta. Everything else he has left to the judges. Which means you still have not dealt with the fact that at his time of death, Cable was merged -- meaning that you would have to be able to demonstrate the ability to separating the different genetic materials, and also demonstrate the ability to summon a character from previous moments in their life (from what I've read, it appears the characters brought back with this method recall their last instants, so this does not seem to be the case), since at time of death Cable was well above the summoning limit. Even if you were able to prove both points, the issue of the "Pure World" remains an insoluble barrier to bringing back the marvel characters: http://ani-haven.net/hr-alpha/Naruto/521/13
As for the ninjas, PG has very kindly saved me the trouble of uploading the scans that show them leveling cities, uprooting mountains, etc. As I said, these abilities alone would put them above high meta, and the fact that they are unkillable is just the frosting on the cake. Tellingly, Leo and PG have never claimed that the most powerful of these characters are below low-herald, and have instead tried to make the claim that Inimalist already decreed these characters as high-meta, which he never did. Thanks for the scans, PG.
Again, the uselessness of your summons is hopelessly overdetermined.
There are so many funny things about this it is hard to know where to start. Maybe with the part that says: "How foolish you are to accuse us of overextending Magneto's powers! ... We are now rescinding the most ambitious, unverified use of those powers," and yet, a few posts later, PG still maintains that Magneto is doing the contracting bubble. Nice.
Then there are the repeated reminders that Magneto did these things in a weakened condition, as if that meant anything, since all of Magneto's best feats have been done while weakened. Sadly for you, "Regular Magneto" (I guess Inimalist used the qualifier because he meant that only Magneto's most extreme feats should be used, and that those feats should be misrepresented as low feats) is somewhat less impressive than weakened Magneto.
Then there is the use of a non-canon scan to demonstrate that Magneto can take on multiple sentinels, coupled with images of Magneto taking out featless metallic robots made by Red Skull. Pardon me if I'm not impressed.
Then there is the fact that you are stressing how impressive it is that Magneto can lift up a chunk of mountains -- when one of your summons, who is supposed to be high-meta or lower, has already been shown to pull a similar feat. Once again, you underline your essential dishonesty regarding your summons.
Considering that you are under assault from literally dozens of high-metas (scores, depending on how you rate sentinels), many of whom have powers tailor made to disrupt your own, the only way of assuming Magneto disposes of them "effortlessly" is to assume that Magneto is operating at levels beyond even those he displayed while fighting the avengers -- in other words, levels arguably beyond high herald, and well beyond low herald. Your argument for Magneto's powers could have almost been written by Carver -- "Damn! I didn't even realize how powerful Magneto was!" Give us all a break, dude.
As for us finding Mags, it is actually incredibly easy: At the very beginning of the battle, we have already peppered the field with blasts, meaning that any point of resistance will be quite simple to detect. Also, your little ninjas aren't cloaked, so that's also a pretty good clue.
As for getting past your shields: my summons can already get past your shields in multiple ways : power-inversion (Nullitor), Darkforce (Blackout), Harmonic destablization (Deathunt), two ebony blades (why would you assume that the hilt of the blade is made out of different metal? Scans?), magic etherialization (Flying Dutchman's Ghost). What's more, your shields are spread over an area, since they also protect Kabuto. Unless Mags and Kabuto are closer than two roaches in a bacon bit, I can just boomtube inside of them and hit you from there. Even if I'm outside of the shields, the containment fields already worked on a combat-ready Magneto, and the Ultra-Diode ray has pierced IW's shields (see initial post), so there is no problem there. In short, I have the drop on you and you are defenseless.
He also resisted Magneto in House of M, and killed Magneto in a “What-If” — so apparently resisting Magneto’s powers is pretty easy for someone with half-decent Tech.
In other words, the most powerful armor to have ever been affected by Magneto is an inferior version of Iron Man. Electromagnetic manipulation has never proven effective against the more powerful armors (Doom, High Evolutionary, Khoon, etc.). Kang’s armor, which is inferior to Epoch’s, is incredibly advanced:
He can blast apart a being as powerful as Tempus in a few shots, hit beings with the gravity of half the planet earth, freeze time, summon beings/objects from different times, trap people in time, and has forcefields powerful enough to effortlessly deflect attacks from Hercules or an enraged Thor. Epoch’s armor is even more powerful, and can manifest the genetic characteristics of advanced alien races (martians, daxamites), simulate any technology he has knowledge of, manipulate time, and even regenerate from incredible wounds (http://imageshack.us/f/848/hourman04p17.jpg/), etc. Leo’s attempt to use Magneto’s feat against Proteus is laughable — not only is this probably Magneto’s single best feat, but it was done over a protracted period of struggle. This is not a luxury my opponent has. Magneto is going to be surprise-attacked, contained and depowered almost instantly, and any resistant he offers will only be reflected by the coating.Even if Leo and PG had every single summon they claimed to have (which I have shown they don’t have, for multiple reasons), the fact of the matter is that I have the drop on their team’s leaders, and I can preserve the coating by deflecting attacks before they even make it that far — Kang can simply send attacks into sub-space ( http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/.../VsAvengers.jpg ), or reverse them with his energy deflector ( http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/...t/VsMerlin2.jpg ), while Epoch can simply slow time for any attacks that are sent against him, making it so that they never reach him: http://imageshack.us/f/703/40085458.jpg/
I have shown why their prep doesn’t work, and also why my plan works even if their prep did. Most of my opponents’ strategy consists of claiming abilities beyond their means, and simply ignoring the parts of my assault that they are unprepared to deal with. Faced with an array of reasons as to why I can get around their defenses, or why their offense will not work, they offer refutations like “Seriously?” or simply put up a half-assed response to one point and pretend that it addresses all the others (their reaction to the coatings, and to the Marvel summons are cases in point), followed by simulations of gloating to give the impression that they have mounted something resembling a counter-argument. Given that their theme was simply a subterfuge for choosing an assemblage of the most powerful low heralds they could think of, it is perhaps unsurprising that so many of their “arguments” are simply recapitulations of respect threads – an attempt to drive home the raw power of their drafts as a substitute for strategy.
Summary
My opponents’ lose legion at the outset in a suicidal gambit against my forces.
Most of their summons are not permissible: 1) it is clearly stated that the beings summoned by Kabuto must come from the Pure world, and the souls of the Marvel characters do not dwell there; 2-3) Cable was merged at time of death, meaning that he was both above the limit and that even extracting his DNA from the mess presents a challenge that Kabuto is not equipped to deal with. 4)Meanwhile, PG has posted scans that provide irrefutable proof that his most powerful summons are above high-meta. 5) The limit is “Regular Magneto”, but my opponents have tried to create an unkillable, tireless, highest-feats only zombie-magneto. Go figure.
I have the enemy entirely swamped by high metas, many of whom are ideally suited to taking down their defenses — and these are only a distraction for the completely undetectable surprise attack that Epoch and Kang deliver, which I have shown works equally well regardless of my opponents’ defenses. In short order, Magneto and Kabuto wind up immobilized, are depowered, and slain. Their attempts at self-defense only aid me.
At least we both make each other laugh, Leo. I'm afraid that throughout this match, it's been I who knew the rules and your team that didn't seem to much care for them.
I can assure you sikbin that legion's eplosion on muir island was not a self-detonation that required any form of healing whatsoever, and with the psychic bunker in place your tech implodes and/or stops working, so the "suicide mission" statement perplexes me. I'll try and post the resulting page feom my phone
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yep. so i have no idea what 'rule violations' you keep crying foul about....
dna is dna. rules dictate we could NOT have god cable. by definition, and by inimal's decree, our summons are legal. again. i have no idea why you'd think he couldn't use the dna he got to bring them back, and this pure world stuff has already been dealt with by pg AND it was already accepted in the previous match. can't really say more since that is pg's guy, so i'll leave it at that.
already.
declared.
legal.
and have you actually READ the write ups of some of the guys you've summoned.....? have you met my friend kettle....?
nope. because it became self-evident when they were declared legal.
cool. so, you drop your forcefield to do so.....? btw, i'd love to see a scan that shows you doing pretty well ANYTHING WHILE you have a forcefield up!
huh? after i said it is NOT being used, pg never again said it WAS. regardless, mags is MY character and discarding a forcefield isn't really all that tough and only makes sense given what we met on the battlefield.
well, then imagine what a tireless, at-full-strength mags can do!
damn, will you ever stop complaining? he meant what he said. all feats from mags are fine. you're not even debating at this point, just whining and trying to misrepresent inimal's intent.
yeah, that scan was non-canon. i'd apologize, but you'd likely say it was intentional so i'll not bother. and YOU'RE not meant to be impressed. it was to show the judges what mag's would do to all YOUR robots.
you mean our legal summons'? don't think i've ever seen such chronic complaining in a match before. judges, please note the desperation obvious in the REPEATED complaints. he NEEDS for these things to be declared illegal (though they have ALREADY been declared legal) because otherwise he has zero chance in this match.
and.... there you go again. i should be thanking you though. your constant complaints about how powerful mags is, should only help us and add further credence to our team's ability to handle yours. inimal set the limit. the limit was mags. pm and complain to him. don't blame us for getting mags first. anyone could have drafted him.
i didn't (nor would i have) even choose mags, pg did! i knew enough about him, but it wasn't til this thing started that i understood just how powerful he was. and..... i wasn't putting forth an argument, i was stating a fact. between your tangential 'arguments' and constant cries of foul, it's hard to make out what has any real substance in your posts.
sweet, glad we got 2 mags and that both are inexhaustible.
yeah, been waiting for those. judges will of course no doubt understand immediately why he didn't really seem to WANT to post them and why i specifically requested them.
(a) he refers to them as OUR shields, throwing into clear doubt just whose shields they really were, kang's or doom's or a combo of the 2. (b) despite this great cloak, they had to HIDE IN THE CAVES. (c) you'll notice they NEVER ATTACKED. hell, they were STILL so afraid they hid despite the cloaking! you need to ask WHY would they have hidden. well, it would seem they did not want to be SEEN. there is no way at all to suppose from those scans that they would have been hidden from simple SIGHT had one of them been seen. there was no indication they were invisible at all--to the contrary, if they were invisible running to hide would have been unnecessary. being invisible to distant scans does not mean they could have walked up to ss or strange and attacked them!! that leap is illogical and clearly refuted on panel. as soon as they appeared directly in front of us we would see them. no cave to hide in this time, even if you believe kang DOES have such a cloak.
you still wouldn't know PRECISLEY where we are, and as soon as you showed up you'd be pounded with tk, tp and a host of other attacks. no cave to hide in.....
love to see scans of you attacking through your shields again.....
first, you somehow seem to think all your guys suddenly 'reach' us, despite the fact that most are dealt with by our summons and most are slaughtered by magneto and joseph almost immediately. i already pointed out how much metal your guys have on or around them (just not a very effective force to use against 2 magnetos...) secondly, you've no proof whatsoever that ANY of those things would work against our shielding anyway, when nearly NOTHING has broken mag's shields in the past. your robots are utterly decimated (seriously, robots against mags???) and of course we have kabuto close. he's defenseless otherwise....
as for the blades--the fact he can control mjnolnir supports my opinion. what supports yours?
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pointless since, you know, he FAILED against magneto.
nice crop job. later in that issue mags--again--owns tony. and you keep telling US we're being less than honest somehow?? you've also seen a LATER model tony controlled via his BLOOD. and mags did affect doom briefly, but i already said doom has tech SPECIFIC to mags.
doom=/=kang. your whole argument is based on the fact that is doom can do it, so can kang. it is NOT about the armor, it is about DOOM himself and the fact that he has faced and analyzed mag's power. kang has NOT. to say he can do what doom can do "just because" is laughable logic to say the very least.
nice, solid ABC logic. as 'solid' as that argument is, mags (as i've shown numerous times) DOES NOT NEED TO AFFECT THE ARMOR DIRECTLY.
now you're a daxamite! and you somehow have the balls to complain about mag's being too powerful though he defines the cap! precious. and of course, no real proof to support any of that. sounds like a trip through wikipedia to me.....
yeah, took almost a full minute or 2....
speaking of laughable.... how are we contained again? where is the scan of this 'weaponized' containment thingy? WHO depowers us again? your ROBOT???
soon as you drop your forcefield to attack (since you've never showed you can attack THROUGH your field, like us) you are pounded by our summons and your 60yr old coating is rendered useless.
you don't even know where we are and since you have no cave to hide in, WE CAN SEE YOU plain as day. and i'd like to see you send tp and tk or em attacks into subspace.
cool. he used it against a PHYSICAL attack and he did not himself attack while that field was in use. not very helpful in this case....
great. yet again a shield without the ability to use any offense. exactly what i've been saying.
coating used up, and..... mantis=/= legion. that comparison is ridiculous. you know it. i know it. and the judges will see why you didn't submit this 'proof' much sooner in the match...
yet you want people to think he can, via more of your abc logic--resist a tp who owned XAVIER. sigh.....
u mad?
every point from his bombs to his armies to coating to his lack of tp resistance to his deficiencies in being able to shield and attack have ALL been addressed multiple times. in return, we have seen CHRONIC complaints and whining about how our guys are too powerful, or illegal, or how we've been some dishonest. blah blah.
ridiculous. legion blows most of his army to smithereens in the opening instants of the match.
more whining. go figure.
yeah, too bad that during the entirety of the match, you failed to prove ANY of those things were possible....
we have REPEATEDLY cast doubt on ALL his offense and have given plausible defenses for everything he does or tries to do. his constant complaints and use of abc logic to defend his defenses and his cries of foul and illegalities, all speak quite clearly to his position in this match. even his late, weak proofs that needed to be expressly REQUESTED show the lack of faith he had in his own ability to support his stances.
we've been consistent in this match with regards to our attack. his army is tailor made for us and he really never came up with any convincing way to get through our shields beyond saying MY SUMMONS DO IT! his near complete lack of defense for tp alone should be enough to win us this match.
^ for context, shadow king possessed his body from the astral plane, and succeeded cause david's mind was fractured, though after that shadow king united all of the split personalities in legion's mind in order to use his body better; thus "legion quest" legion.
thanks shadow king
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about using iron man feats in place of kang's concerning magneto: it doesn't qualify cause magneto is a probable opponent for iron man to come across in his universe, kang comes from more than 2 millenia in the future without a magneto to even justify making a suit defense for.
No, I didn't mean to imply that Legion was damaged by his explosion at all -- sorry I wasn’t able to reply soon enough to save you the trouble of digging up scans. What I meant is that by launching himself into the midst of my forces (leaving the psychic bunker behind, unless you can show he can teleport with it), he puts himself in a situation where any attack he launches gets reflected back on him, and he gets hit with containment field, ultra-diode, etc. In other words, he dies a tragic and useless death.
As expected, Leo continues to offer blanket denials, and simply ignores the problem of extracting the DNA in the first place since Cable was melded, and the fact that at time of death the melded cables had been self-amped to the point where Leo can't summon them. While PG has insisted that the "pure world" is not an issue, I have shown a scan proving that it is. Leo accuses me of hypocrisy regarding my summons, but anyone who has actually read the appearances of these characters (as I have) will have noticed that I was actually extremely careful in who I put on the list of summons and who I did not. They will have noticed, for instance, that Skurge, Neut, and the Macrobots are not on that list. I wouldn't even dream of trying to sneak a summon capable of uprooting mountains or leveling a city past the judges.
I'm afraid the desperation here is in your substitution of claptrap for actual arguments, or "complaints" as you call them. I am not happy about repeating myself, but as you have repeatedly failed to address the many holes in your plan, while simultaneously pretending that offering a false solution to one problem addresses all of the others, I'm inevitably forced to draw attention to this deficit. The fact of the matter is that it is your team that NEEDS to accomplish things beyond its means, because without them you have zero chance.
Finally, an actual attempt at argument! Unfortunately for you, my surprise attack has little or nothing to do with my characters visibility, and everything to do with their ability to prevent Magneto from receiving an advanced forewarning of their materialization behind him. Not that it matters. Anyway you cut it, his shields get taken down (have already been bypassed, as I've shown, by the containment field, which Kang generates with his armor, or by an anti-matter screen, or by any of the innumerable techniques I've already mentioned; or I can just teleport inside of them, further obviating the possibility of being attacked by all the summons my opponents' don't even have), and he dies in short order.
Unlike Mjolnir, the blade isn't thrown, and can just absorb the magnetic fields Magneto would use to manipulate it, unless you can post scans proving otherwise. As for all of the attacks on your shielding, Nullitor was able to turn Mjolnir's energies back against themselves, so Magneto's shield should be a piece of cake; Deathhunt is also an EM manipulator and can take down electromagnetic fields: http://imageshack.us/f/69/deathhunt2.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/718/deathhunt.jpg/
The ebony blades have, so far as I know, never failed against a forcefield, and can even reflect the power of Zeus; Flying Dutchman is a magical, telekinetic, ethereal ghost who ignored the Vision's phasing attack and then took out the Vision with a phasing attack in turn.
Wasn't me who cropped it. And yet again you are ignoring the point; even lesser versions of Tony have countered Mags' powers, Doom has done so repeatedly, and contrary to your claims this is not at all about prepping specifically to fight for Magneto, but simply about the qualities of high-end power armor in comics. Like I said, why doesn't the armor issue matter for HE, Khoon, etc.? Obviously, because herald level armor and shielding is good enough to resist such basic attacks. Magneto has never defeated Armor of Kang's caliber before, and would fail against the forcefield even if I didn't have the coating, which just makes Leo's argument even more ridiculous.
Everything I mentioned as either already been posted by me here, or can easily be looked up on Kang's respect thread. You already know most of it anyway, so spare us the disingenuous "trip through wikipedia" spiel.
You seem to have trouble reading the scans. The containment fields, as already shown (see the part of my initial post about containment fields) are from Kang's armor, while the depowering effect comes from the ultradiode ray, of which I also posted numerous scans. I also have other immobilizing effects from the simple spectrum inverter and omega barrier.
Legion died before he could even use TP, which would have just been reflected by the coating anyway. I didn't submit the scan because I didn't get around to it, and because it didn't seem important, as your telepath is dead at the git-go.
Throughout this match, my opponents have attempted to evade all of the problems with their plan, while simultaneously claiming that their inability on this front is evidence of my own team's weakness. In general, they have substituted denial, bluff and bravado for strategy. I have answered all of their critiques, while they have simply attempted to sidestep mine.
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btw, i'd love to see a scan that shows you doing pretty well ANYTHING WHILE you have a forcefield up!
well, then imagine what a tireless, at-full-strength mags can do!
I'm afraid the desperation here is in your substitution of claptrap for actual arguments, or "complaints" as you call them. I am not happy about repeating myself, but as you have repeatedly failed to address the many holes in your plan, while simultaneously pretending that offering a false solution to one problem addresses all of the others, I'm inevitably forced to draw attention to this deficit. The fact of the matter is that it is your team that NEEDS to accomplish things beyond its means, because without them you have zero chance. 
