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Lestov16
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You have no choice but to surrender. Immediately.

Is that the same ultimatum Zan offered the dragon?

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Is that the same ultimatum Zan offered the dragon?

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Zan died better than McClane ever has lived.

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Zan died better than McClane ever has lived.

Indeed quite true. I had to get that one out though. It was irresistible big grin

But although he lived more badass, that doesn't mean he can beat him in a fistfight. Jack Bauer is way more badass than Jason Bourne, but if they got into a fistfight, Bourne would tap Bauer's ass like Justin Bieber in a prison shower. Although Denton is good at fistfighting, he hasn't displayed nearly the proficiency of McClane. You can't base this win off of a fight against somebody much weaker than him and a more charismatic demeanor. You gotta display the physical feats pertaining to a H2H fight. And the thing is, McClane has better feats.

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Oct 17th, 2011 07:47 PM

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Thats debateable. McClane certainly was able to live longer and more spectacularly.

Van Zan ended up as Dragon Faeces.

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Dying due to retard induced rage isn't something worth appaulding. I will say one thing for Van Zan, he can jump pretty far when he's retard-raging.

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Indeed quite true. I had to get that one out though. It was irresistible

But although he lived more badass, that doesn't mean he can beat him in a fistfight. Jack Bauer is way more badass than Jason Bourne, but if they got into a fistfight, Bourne would tap Bauer's ass like Justin Bieber in a prison shower. Although Denton is good at fistfighting, he hasn't displayed nearly the proficiency of McClane. You can't base this win off of a fight against somebody much weaker than him and a more charismatic demeanor. You gotta display the physical feats pertaining to a H2H fight. And the thing is, McClane has better feats.

That's why I reference his street fight not just the way he died.

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Figures he can jump good...hed have to be good at something, as he can't punch/headbutt worth a poop.

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Figures he can jump good...hed have to be good at something, as he can't punch/headbutt worth a poop.

Now if only he'd had picked up a basketball instead of that battle axe, we might have seen Van Zan do something impressive. Maybe there's a director's cut?

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Figures he can jump good...hed have to be good at something, as he can't punch/headbutt worth a poop.

His headbutt got the job done unlike most of McClane's fists and feminine gestures which mainly relied on a gun ending the fight for him.

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It got no job done. ('except for the job of winning the prestigious "most ladylike headbutt delivered this century" award of course.)

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Oct 18th, 2011 04:51 PM

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Now if only he'd had picked up a basketball instead of that battle axe, we might have seen Van Zan do something impressive. Maybe there's a director's cut?

Co starring Magic Johnson and bug's bunny?

(All better at headbutting than Van Zan.)

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Oct 18th, 2011 04:52 PM

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It got no job done. ('except for the job of winning the prestigious "most ladylike headbutt delivered this century" award of course.)

It put his opponent on his ass. McClane usually spills blood and just gets beat on before he can find a weapon to "even" the odds.

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But that opponent was hardly of DH Villian standard now, was he...?

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Oct 18th, 2011 04:54 PM

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Quanchi believes that slapping around an average unarmed guy is more impressive than fighting and killing armed mercenary types who are trying to kill you.

He clearly has an acute case of I-DON'T-KNOW-WHAT-THE-FVCK-I'M-TALKING-ABOUT.

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But that opponent was hardly of DH Villian standard now, was he...?

In the sense he easily beat down an opponent who sucker punched him it's a lo mote impressive than getting beat up which McClane seems to have mastered.

McClane could teach a class on how to take a beatdown.

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Quanchi believes that slapping around an average unarmed guy is more impressive than fighting and killing armed mercenary types who are trying to kill you.

He clearly has an acute case of I-DON'T-KNOW-WHAT-THE-FVCK-I'M-TALKING-ABOUT.

Lies.

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He never gets beaten up by low-to-mid level lackeys.

And he never gets too beaten up to win.
And considering the hidings he endured and won like a champ,
Nancy Van Zan will be crying all the way to his home in that dragon's anus.

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Oct 18th, 2011 05:18 PM

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He never gets beaten up by low-to-mid level lackeys.

And he never gets too beaten up to win.
And considering the hidings he endured and won like a champ,
Nancy Van Zan will be crying all the way to his home in that dragon's anus.

He doesn't win based off his hand to hand skills he uses weapons so this sorely limits him in a strictly hand to hand fight. Zan probably raped dragons too. The guy was all world.

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He has done. He just usually uses things with which to kill people.

Be they Gun, Knife, C4, Zippo, Car, Plane, Helicopter, icicle, vent machinery, explosions whatever...

Van Zan uses an axe/tank/car/helicopter etc.

Just McClane has a massive kill count advantage over that Van Zan chick.

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Oct 18th, 2011 05:52 PM

quanchi112
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He has done. He just usually uses things with which to kill people.

Be they Gun, Knife, C4, Zippo, Car, Plane, Helicopter, icicle, vent machinery, explosions whatever...

Van Zan uses an axe/tank/car/helicopter etc.

Just McClane has a massive kill count advantage over that Van Zan chick.

Zan doesn't need anything in a hand to hand fight against a mere human he needs those other gadgets against fire breathing dragons.

Killing one dragon is superior to all those bums McClane has killed.

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Oct 18th, 2011 07:01 PM

Sadako of Girth
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But he didnt do it h2h, so ummmmm no. Its not.
Human Vs Human kill count speaks volumes.
(Whether luck, ingenuity, intuition, whatver got him through:Its a part of the character)

So basically erm..."McWinnage".

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