LOL, indeed. Look how badass he is when he falls onto the ground.
Voldemort's power far eclipses that of the Witch King who broke his staff.
No, you conceded when you presumed he could break Voldemort's wand just because he broke Saruman's. He also allows saruman to attack first before he does so. You are powerset arguing which you tend to do while being desperate.
Consider Voldemort's abilities, power, and his quick reflexes and this isn't close. Gandalf dies a quick death.
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Interesting that you argue Voldemort will do 'X' and 'Y' because they're "trademarks" yet in the same post argue that Gandalf will automatically move to burn/break Voldemort's wand... even though the White Wizard is much more of a melee fighter than a spellcaster during his many, many battles.
I'mma gonna call bullshit and submit that Gandalf won't do any of that and will instead go for the kill with staff and sword and die.
Like against the Balrog, Gandalf will fight without any Valar limitations. Meaning it's actually logical for me to take the best showing of Gandalf the White to shape my argument.
And besides, have your forgotten his Shield?
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No.
You're hinging the outcome of this fight based on a precise sequence of actions and decisions made by Voldemort. Voldemort will do 'X' and then 'Y', "because it is his trademark" while making the simultaneous argument that Gandalf will begin with moves that are not typical of him. The White Wizard is typically conservative with magic in his fights and only uses them against foes that he knows are especially dangerous.
No such condition was placed in this thread. This is a glaring double standards and I demandrespectfully ask that you take this into consideration. If Voldemort begins with his "typical" Killing Curse, Gandalf begins with his "typical" sword.
Voldemort is more than capable of destroying Gandalf's shield.
For the sake of this thread, Gandalf KNOWS Voldemort isn't a LV. 5 Uruk-Hai. The lack of this awareness would limit Gandalf's ability, but not necessarily Voldemort's. Even if Voldemort knows Gandalf is dangerous, he WILL cast Avada Kedavra (even more reason).
As a result, Gandalf will perform at his highest level. And since the 'typical' whims of this highest level are only one or two feats, I have to shape my argument based on those alone.
Actually, no, if you think about it, it isn't a double standard whatsoever.
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It is a double standard as I have tried telling you in multiple posts from practically the first page. You are arguing for Gandalf but are selecting his attacks which aren't consistent with what he normally does in character in the mountain of battle scenes he is in throughout the trilogy. Voldemort you are using what's in character for him but not the same with Gandalf ie. selecting which attacks he uses and when.
You are in a sense powerset arguing which means you are arguing based off of his feats/abilities and telling us how you'd win against Voldemort who still has to fight in character. You can't have it both ways. That's the point. If you want the powerset argument then Voldemort will be apparating all over the place while letting loose giant creatures of flame then tossing out Avada Kedavra's left and right.
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I must reluctantly declare, once again, bullshit.
First, it is imperative that you understand that you are not the thread-maker and so do not have the authority to impose conditions, particularly when they obviously favor the character you favor.
Second, it is equally imperative that you understand the dangerous logic to which you subscribe: Arguing what a character will do {as regards specific actions} is problematic and for just this reason-- it could backfire spectacularly.
It is.
Your interpretation is that Voldemort will literally stand there like a dunce and allow Gandalf to attack him with techniques reserved for very few of the White Wizard's enemies, which is illogical given Voldemort's priorities {himself, himself, himself, himself, himself} and wide range of magical abilities which would circumvent, delay, or mitigate such attacks.
Gandalf's shield resisted a magical fire-sword from the Balrog.
The death spell can be blocked by wood doors and gravestones.
Are you telling me that wood doors and gravestones would have resisted a blow from the Balrog? No. Gandalf could also opt to block with his staff and/or sword.
So, basically, you have nothing to properly reply with?
All of you questions were already addressed in my previous post.
You won't get away with circular discussions with me.
Additionally, you said "single wizard's shield".
You've actually COMPLETELY missed the point entirely. That's not the question you should be asking if you actually understood what my points were (after reading through, you know what the point was, but for some reason, you pretend to not know here).
If you're interested, ask me what the point was. If you're more interested in posturing and strawman arguments, don't bother asking me.
1. This is obviously an attempt on your part to not only deflect from the events that occurred, but to try and sound smart.
2. Yes, the third law. Admit it: you looked it up. If you admit that, then I have an equally awesome admission, too.
3. Some of the impact was clearly absorbed by Gandalf as he stumbled under the blow. Some of the force was absorbed by the shield because it had some sort of anti-fire incantation going on with it (read the subtitles or listen to the incantation: he has some anti-fire magic mixed in). Still, not all of the force was transferred to Gandalf and/or his shield because the swing had "follow through" as the sword dissolved. This explains why the bridge didn't collapse under the force of the swing (which it should have, even if made from granite).
Again, lies.
I showed the video.
It was hardly damaged, at all.
A massive bombardment can be as massive as it wants against a magical shield: fact remains that there was barely any damage and they were getting NO where against the shield.
Again, I have caught you going out of your way to lie about the events on the side you do not support. It's as though you think the "other side" is as dumb as a 6 year old. Why would you even think that would fly without some sort of legitimate protest?
Back on topic: if you shoot a steel shield with a lead BBs, you MIGHT eventually get through if you have enough BBs and time...and you're probably doing some damage...but it is insignificant. That's the proper comparison that should be made before Voldemort came into the picture.
1. That’s a wiki article.
2. It clearly states it is conjecture. What that means is it is a guess. It is not canonical (it states that.)
3. It’s not a shield penetration spell, at all: It was shield destroying magic which had no incantation associated with it and no known magic associated with it. BUT, if you want something to compare it to, it was vastly more powerful than all of the blasts shot by the death eaters, up to that point…all at once.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: It was a nice try on your part, however, to try and come off as knowledgeable about the other side. It won’t fool me, but it would probably fool others.
Some of your points exude blind fanboyism: that’s what I’ll call your points. If you cannot deal with it, I do not care. But it would be nice if you didn’t go out of your way to lie about events to be right when it is quite clear that you’re either trolling or off your rocker.
You’ve gone beyond the point of blind fanboyism by this point. There was follow through as the Balrog’s sword shattered/dissolved. You denying it doesn’t make it disappear. That particular point was not up for debate. Any other points you make about this will be ignored UNLESS it is to say, “I apologize for going out of my way to lie.”
Read this again:
(non-vacuum/nuclear bombs, of course)
A vacuum bomb has the power of a low-yield nuke.
To expand the forward slash, you would end up with this:
(non-vacuum bombs and non-nuclear bombs, of course)
That’s what the forward slash is for.
No worries: I could have been clearer. I apologize.
I stated that because I did not want the HP supporters to take my words and run with it like it was a new discovery. That has happened in the past.
You do know that there is more than one way to lie, right?
I think the video was both edited and is low quality, to be honest. However, Voldemort makes no incantation. Unless you consider screaming like a little b*tch in a fit rage, an incantation.
Well, now you’re doing that “deny what is seen on screen” thing again.
The entire shield “explodes” when he makes “magical contact”.
And, no you’re still doing that lie about what was seen on screen: the damage to the shield is clearly seen in a previous scene. The damaged portions are orange-ish and the undamaged portions are blue. The shield obviously self-repairs because the vast majority was back to blue again.
No matter how much you deny what was seen on screen, it stands: the shield was almost completely intact. Voldemort destroyed an awesomely powerful shield in one attack that was almost at 100%.
This point will not be debated anymore: if you respond with anything other than “You are right” or “Voldemort can destroy very powerful shields”, they will be ignored.
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That point is quite clear and no other explanation is required. If you do not understand that direct point, that’s too bad.
But if you’re getting hung up with “his” being spelled “hos”…
Sure have, buddy. And I’ve outlined which times you have. (Lies, usually)
Concession accepted. Boy, that was a waste of time, wasn’t it?
Since RJ is my real life friend (we’re really good friends in fact…he’s like a brother to me), I hardly find that insulting. HOWEVER, don’t you find it rude to RJ to consider it rude to be like RJ? Just simply taking that stance means you think you’re vastly superior to him to the point of considering being compared a gross insult. The implications are that you feel vastly superior to RJ.
But let’s not go there. You should have said, “Thanks, man! That means a lot coming from one of his very best friends.”
I quite clearly put a stop to it. Don’t try and back-pedal out of what you were trying to do and that was pass off “unknown” powers and abilities to be used in a vs. discussion.
Proven to be fail. I was the sun. In the novel, it was his staff.
Vastly inferior to the Hogwarts shield which you admitted already…and Voldemort is capable of destroying.
By feats, Voldemorts is vastly superior. This is not even close.
The only time that has ever worked was on the magical staffs of the wizards: both to Gandalf from the Witch King and from Gandalf to Saruman. This can only be applied to magical beings in which he is superior to: since Voldemort is vastly superior, that won’t happen.
Same with Voldemort but in far greater power.
In fact, the wizards never show “magical exhaustion”. Only physical exhaustion from running around and swinging their arms like idiots.
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Gandalf's shield was mutually destroyed with a magical fire-sword from the Balrog when the Balrog struck it.
The death spell can be blocked by wood doors and gravestones but it causes damage as though it were shot by bullets.
Are you telling me that wood doors and gravestones would have resisted a blow from the Balrog? No. Gandalf could also opt to block with his staff and/or sword because wizards in HP are clearly seen using their magical wands to block/null magical spells cast at each other.
"Actually, it can be blocked by magic and what's more important, Gandalf's magic <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Harry Potter magic. So your premise is flawed but makes no major errors."
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If you admit that, then I have an equally awesome admission, too. 
