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steverules_2
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The truth, from a certain point of view.


So...his point of view?


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So...his point of view?


The truth as Obi Wan could coach it at the time. Neither he nor Yoda believed Luke was ready for the burden at the time.

Back to the topic - with them going as far on the DVDs to photoshop imperial insignias from one side of a chest to another (to the delight of continuity crazed anal retentive types everywhere), you think this one would be obvious to change. So did they overlook it on purpose?


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steverules_2
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Yeah probably, but even before the PT lightsabres sealed wounds so I don't get why they keep the blood in there


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I dunno... but I don't like them tampering with the OT too much. Less is more.


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Because Lucas likes to whore out the Star wars OT, and he keeps adding on more and more make up to make his b*tch look good for all the CGI infested crap we're getting spewed onto our screens. Kids these days love CGI, I myself prefer stop motion and such because a lot more effort went in to that than someone moving a mouse and typing some codes.


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I don't care about the nature of the effects. They have to look credible but mostly they should be in service of the story. Not BE the story themselves. For a lot of kids the effects themselves suffice obviously...


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Because Lucas likes to whore out the Star wars OT, and he keeps adding on more and more make up to make his b*tch look good for all the CGI infested crap we're getting spewed onto our screens. Kids these days love CGI, I myself prefer stop motion and such because a lot more effort went in to that than someone moving a mouse and typing some codes.


Yeah well, technology only movies forward, not back. I know It was fun for me as a child to pretend stop motion looked 'almost real', but that was then. Once upon a time, Lucas did a great leap forward with VFX to make Star Wars; how can we tell him he should stop now.

Whenever I hear the hate for CGI argument, I don't buy it. So many classic films from the past twenty years wouldn't have been made without it - or wouldn't be near as convincing without it. Yet Lucas is the only one I constanly see get singled out for criticism. It's not about the technology, it's how it's used. Like any part of filmmaking. There was once an argument about how the stedicam made filmmakers lazy as well, which I tended to agree with ( making too many films and TV shows look the same.)

My 11 year old nephew is a huge Star Wars fan now, and is devouring all The Clone Wars episodes. He's part of the future fan base, and couldn't care less what some of the old guard fans constantly complain about.


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I have nothing against CGI, I love it when used well (Gladiator, Avatar, Lord of the Rings). But Lucas did not use it all that well, where the CGI draws the attention to itself for a) being not entirely convincing or b) rather silly (like standing and jumping on the floating robots on Mustafar)....

It has nothing to do with the nature of CGI, but with the way directors use it. It seems to be used to make everything possible.... just BECAUSE it is possible.


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I still think Jabba looks so....awful in ANH, I got the blu rays and whilst I love seeing it in HD and all I still think some of it just doesnt fit in


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It doesn't... somehow they just didn't get that right. Beats me why though... doesn't look too hard.

At least it's better than the horrible horrible first one.


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I don't see why that scene is even in there to begin with. This is all information that we already heard from Greedo.


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I don't see why that scene is even in there to begin with. This is all information that we already heard from Greedo.


Because Lucas was ticked he couldn't get a working Jabba in the scene shot in 1976; likely not even enough time & money to make the Jabba puppet made for ROTJ, so he had to shelve it. As someone who got the Marvel Comics adaptation and the novel tie-in at the time, the scene was in there, though (but only the novelization describes Jabba accurately; in the comics, which was based on designs & scenes not fully completed prior to the film's release, he is a blue humanoid with a face like a camel.)

The scene does have value as well. We see Jabba is still a being who can negotiate and have a reasonable side at the time, and we see the pressure Han is under to complete this deal and pay off Jabba before he changes his mind, making his decision to stay with the Rebellion have greater impact. Also, the chance to insert Boba Fett in the background for the sharp eyed, tying in continuity with AOTC through to TESB.


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As someone who got the Marvel Comics adaptation and the novel tie-in at the time, the scene was in there, though (but only the novelization describes Jabba accurately; in the comics, which was based on designs & scenes not fully completed prior to the film's release, he is a blue humanoid with a face like a camel.)


After stretching my memory, I remember the comics Jabba was green, not blue.
(Doing it before someone comes in and corrects me...)


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I'm with Roughrider on why the scene is necessary, but not on the AOTC thing, more like ANH - ESB.

The biggest problem with the scene is when Han walks behind Jabba, that kills the entire thing


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But the scene is not needed... we don't NEED to see anyone before they have their scene. Boba became a legend long before he was introduced in the SE. All this bloody tying in that supposedly NEEDS to be done. It's exactly what ruined the PT: the forced ways to tie it all in with the ANH... As if it's not one story... tsss..


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Here's a question, was Boba there in 1977 or was he inserted for the special edition?

Also it would of been better if they just had Jabba as a hologram projection then he could of walked around him


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Here's a question, was Boba there in 1977 or was he inserted for the special edition?

Also it would of been better if they just had Jabba as a hologram projection then he could of walked around him


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He was inserted in 1977. The Boba Fett character originated in The Star Wars Holiday Special. Before that, there was no such thing as Boba Fett.


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So he was NOT inserted in 1977... He was a cartoon character in the HS, sort of a study of a character they intended to use in ESB.


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Guess he got popular, gotta say I'm a fan of the guy

Apart from in AOTC, I wanted to punch him..he was SO annoying


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