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I can not show you anything, since said characters are virtually weaklings and unimportant, their fights are never shown in detail.
Actually, you can prepare to strike something impossibly faster than you are before it's even released, if you know where it's headed. Also, if you can see someone swat lightening, then it was moving as fast as lightening. I would love to see this event you describe.
It's not speculation on my part either, it's called common sense.
Well, they do tank them easily. Blanka is hardly a threat in the SFU.
Sure, whatever pleases you.
Gouki will obliterate Ganon's soul with the force of his own sins before he has a chance to do anything. To pile on to that, so far, I haven't seen Ganon accomplish a single feat that would harm Gouki. And Again, Oni has TK and Asura Senku as well, making him intangible.
In the words of Gouki:"The Raging Demon... Its power is unequal... It is not my fists, but your past sins that will kill you... The more evil your past doings, the more painful your death..."
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Why are we even debatin Akuma at this point? He's never been seen at lvls even close to his actual limits. I would assume that this thread calls for reg Akuma, and he should lose against cats usin powerful magic. His only hope would be a SSGS. Now when he goes Shin and Oni, that's another story. A tale that can't be told cuz he never needed to got to these lvls in canon and he never did.
Can't argue for or against Shin or Oni since nobody knows shit about'im. To do so is just plain ridiculous.
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Dazed, perhaps? It's not like Kain can really make him fall of off anything anyway, unless Ghirahim tries the Endless Plunge again. Even then, the fight has 2 more phases you don't seem to be taking into account.
It's a little quicker than Kain's canon teleport, or at least the initial opening is. I would not say it looks like cancellation of a summon, either, mostly due to large portal in the floor. Twinrova used the same effect to capture Nabooru in the middle of the desert, so it isn't tied to location, and I don't see how a portal opening in a second leaves any doubt as to the cast time.
It also shows that he takes three of Link's "Fatal Blows" using the Master Sword to the chest without dying, and only suffering some cracks. It also shows his arms being invulnerable to Link's slashes, given that he uses him bare arms to block. I don't think he even has an inner body, either, given his...species. It might be the effort of making a barrier to stop his fall for all we know, since he doesn't seem to move much when he does that.
No Kain could just TK him into the air or throw him higher than hes fallen, anyone here could do that. The two phases do not counter the earlier though.
His summoned being was defeated and he said specifcally he was banishing it, so unless you can prove he can banish anyone the same way and can create portals like that anywhere despite the appearance of the area its not much use. Not sure if its the same, you would have ot show me Twinrovas and wut? the portal opening would be after the cast time, which we dont know apprently.
Not sure how thats impressive tbh considering most here in this thread could take unlimited numbers of those strikes.
Link beat him all to shit with his sword, the fall has nothing to do with it. I could get beaten down with a bat, and when I git the floor it'll take me a while to get up, that has nothing to do with fall distance or being heavy, lol.
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Yes, and since he was covered in armor, he was only able to drive him to the edge. You hitting him respectively didn't do much because it kept clanging off of his armor. Bleh, idc, it was just a suggestion.
A better suggestion than most so far, but I would still say hes clearly not got the durability on his inside than he does on his outside, I would get up straight away after falling a couple of meters, not sure anyone would be on the ground that long.
Well, honestly, the hits from Link's sword would be far more dangerous than any fall anyway. Lol.
And tbh, it's entirely probably him laying there for any period of time is just to allow the player time to hit him with a fatal blow... IE, gameplay. Considering the things we seem him do in cutscenes and the scale of power shown in the game, a fall is honestly hilariously small time. :/
Shit, the imprisoned's weakest form made the entirety of the sealed grounds heave and quake just by escaping its' seal.
Unlimited? Really, that's just being unfair. Quite a few people in this thread would be harmed pretty badly by a strike like that. Link's not in this thread, though, unfortunately.
As for this, the wave beam has shot through forcefields before, and depending on the version goes through walls and such. The barrier being semitransparent just makes it easier. Granted, she probably won't be damaging it that way.
So it seems both Sora and Samus have methods to continue to be annoying to Ganon even when separated from one another. In Sora's case, direct teleportation. Hm.
I'd say if he takes Samus down before being significantly weakened he'll take it, though. Her visors and beams kind of shiv his intangibility and invisibility which is annoying, and limits him pretty bad. Conversely, he has powerful electrical attacks at his disposal, and can pen her in with forcefields and teleport on top of her. Something I think could ruin her day in a hurry. Dante would be unable to reach her, leaving Sora as her only aid.
How do you feel those odds are? In an enclosed space, my money is on Ganon over Samus, it's a matter of how effectively he can strike at her without taking significant return fire with Sora chasing him around.
If she proves tougher to kill than Sora though, Sora could be chosen to go down first because of his sheer ability to follow Ganon around and make himself annoying, whereas Dante can be sidelined.
Assuming he can teleport, he didnt seem to be able to in that form specifically otherwise why didnt he avoid falling? perhaps his reaction times are slow, which is likely.
They both seem really weak, I dont know how strong that women is but even she was able to shout to link in the time it took for the portal that was already beneath her to take her, also I assum that did not go to the gap between dimensions?
Not really, its just fact. Well I guess your speaking for Samus there, but I wouldnt say even Samus would be pierced like that.
Also I have not looked, but have you mentioned one shotting Ganon with the plasma cannon? has he got heat resistance on par with tin? I feel ike your not hardly even trying to come up with defence for Samus in this thread, hell even with my limited knowledge i could probably argue her better at the moment.
Also I like how Scream has simply assumed their all going to be trapped by forcefields, as if his forcefields are godly strong and cannot be harmed.
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Next time watch the whole fight, he teleports in his second and third phases. When you start making conclusions based on "why didn't X do Y?", you're going to a bad place. For instance, I could conclude that Kain's reactions are slow because he didn't mist form or teleport before Raziel could tag him, see? Besides, Ghirahim already dodged one of Link's attacks by teleporting in his untransformed states, and another by jumping, and he blocks nearly all of Link's attacks in all three forms, whether with swords or his arms.
Hmm. Actually, I wonder how Ghirahim throwing Tornados around will change this fight...
Nah, she just got sent to be brainwashed and turned into an Iron Knuckle. Basically they just mind controlled her, put her in some ridiculously heavy armor, and gave an axe so she could smash stone pillars with it.
Oh no, not Samus, though it might damage her. She still couldn't take "unlimited" strikes. More along the lines of Sora and War who might be disabled, Dante might be dazed for a bit, and Kain would certainly feel it. Still Ghirahim taking it is impressive, even if his big glowing weak point isn't as tough as the rest of him.
Ganondorf tanked fire from a dragon spirit that incinerated most of a ship. In that same spirit's words, "Ganon cannot be defeated by such simple means as wrath and fire." So actually Ganondorf has quite good heat resistance, much better than, say, Kain. Hence why I'm choosing to focus on the Light Beam, which is much more likely to harm GanonDemise than plasma is, as well as the possibility of the electrical Wave Beam that could achieve a stun. Adding in the castle durability from Twilight Princess, this guy is pretty tough to hurt.
A known castle buster (Midna) just barely managed to bring one down, exhausting herself in the process, and Link with the Golden Gauntlets throwing a pillar at one failed to break it, instead breaking the pillar. They are pretty godly, but Samus has the means to bypass them with her weapons so it's all good.
Samus does a lot of fighting in enclosed spaces, and getting into melee leads one into encounters with Screw Attacks and Power Bombs, which I imagine are unpleasant. If her mobility is limited, I'd recommend the Morph Ball for smaller size and unpredictability.
Fair enough but still, it seems suspect. And tornados, depends on how strong they are.
I like how only the characters you like get a more positive word. Well no, not really. He got impaled, true he got back up but so would most here as I said, infact several here wouldnt even be pierced.
So fire is the same as melting metal quickly? no, no its not....you see, your bias, burning up a ship is not the same as melting metal at any speed. Its funny how you say hes tough to hurt on a castle feat but someone who can take millions times the force to smash a castle in a square mm of his chest, your willing to debate far more against.
Cna you show me some of these forcefields and their power, and more importantly Ganon making them.
Depends on how well they fly, it's likely to throw everyone everywhere.
Quite a few would still be injured by a 30 tonner (I got the weight of the metal block, btw) shoving a sword into their chests. That would pierce quite a few of them.
I think you're missing the point here. Ganondorf has fire resistance, but a weakness to light based and holy weapons. The Light Beam has exactly the same feats of incinerating creatures that the plasma beam does, and it's a weakness, so it's a much more effective weapon against Ganondorf than something he would have resistance to. Any particular reason you're arguing that Ganondorf, who has fire resistance, would be hurt by the plasma beam but at the same time claiming that Kain, who has a vulnerability to fire, would not be hurt? It's also funny how the thing that busted the castle was a spear (i.e: sharp point) wielded by a much stronger character than Raziel hitting Ganon and that the explosion was purely collateral damage. Really, if you're trying to suggest that Raziel could replicate any of Midna's feats, you're going to need better evidence.