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Sirius77
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Yeah, I'm actually interested as to what he'll bring out next lol. Also that was a terribly written fanfic, why would Frieza's blast knock bardock into another timeline when Buu or Cell's didnt have the same effect? Also, wouldn't that screw up some things, like I don't know.... a random super saiyan bardock running around killing frieza's family lol? It just didn't make sense lol.

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Yeah, it has quite a few plot holes

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This can go two ways...

1. Goku performs the solar flare technique, blinding goku, and cuts him in half with a distructo disk.
2. Goku destroys the sun and uses instant transmission to teleport himself to a different galaxy before the entire solar system goes boom.

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EDIT: Truth is this fight would never happen. Both are pretty much the same guy. Both pure hearted, stowaways from a doomed planet, super strong aliens raised by humans since infancy, defenders of Earth. They'd probably pat each other on the back, and end up going to a China buffet. And even if they did fight, they'd be holding back, as to not destroy the Earth.

Put this into perspective:
Vegita casually firing a planet-busting blast in season 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrStPm7zyok
Vegita's walk around power level at the time was 18,000, and 25,000 when powered up. Super Saiyan 4 Goku hits the 1 billion mark. That's enough energy output to destroy the solar system over, and over, and over again. It all depends on if Supes can take that kind of punishment.

Goku can sense powerlevels, and mask his own. He'd know where Superman is, and how powerful he is. Superman, on the other hand, wouldn't know who he was up against. How would Clark know that when Kararot points his fingers at him, he's not just being rude, he's about to blow him to Kingdom Come?

*Scenario 3 (NO ONE WINS): Goku senses Superman's power from afar, and sees that he is no match for him. Goku uses instant transmission to take them both as far from planet Earth as possible and decides to sacrifice himself up, blowing himself up and everything around him. That means goodbye to any nearbye yellow stars as well.

-And to Kal el's defense-
4. Kararot decides to show himself to Kal El. Superman decides to speed-bust Goku on sight before Goku has a chance to say "I'm Goku and I'm from Earth!"

But like I said before, these two would never fight. They are mirror images on two separate plains of reality. They would shake hands, and use the dragon balls to help eachother get back to their respective realms of existance.

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Dec 27th, 2011 03:52 AM

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Originally posted by The Transporter
This can go two ways...

1. Goku performs the solar flare technique, blinding goku, and cuts him in half with a distructo disk.
2. Goku destroys the sun and uses instant transmission to teleport himself to a different galaxy before the entire solar system goes boom.

Prove that a destructo disk would work on Superman. Cell no-sold it, but apparently doesn't do too well with planet-busters. Supes has taken several planet busters and survived.

Goku has never destroyed a sun or a solar system, and superman has survived worse. He's survived an explosion equivalent to 50 supernovae. One supernova is enough to destroy an entire solar system.

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Originally posted by The Transporter
Super Saiyan 4 Goku hits the 1 billion mark. That's enough energy output to destroy the solar system over, and over, and over again. It all depends on if Supes can take that.

Gt isn't canon. Akira didn't write it. Also if you want to use gt, you should know that Baby was destroyed by the sun, and he was no-selling super saiyans up to II iirc. However, the attacks themselves are unimportant if they are unable to reach their mark.

Also yes, superman can take that. He's taken solar system busters+ at least twice that I can remember off the top of my head.

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Goku can sense powerlevels, and mask his own. He'd know where Superman is, and how powerful he is. Superman, on the other hand, wouldn't know who he was up against. How would Clark know that Kararot points his fingers at him, he's not just being rude, he's about to blow him to Kindom Come? I guess the answer to this fight would depend on whether or not:

*Scenario 3 (NO ONE WINS): Goku senses Superman's power from afar, and sees that he is no match for him. Goku uses instant transmission to take them both as far from planet Earth as possible and decides to sacrifice himself up, blowing himself up and everything around him.

Superman can see souls and every aspect of the electro-magnetic spectrum, so I doubt that ki/chi would be a stretch for his sensory powers. I'm not saying that he can sense ki/chi in the same way that Goku can, just that such an ability would not be a game changer. This much has been shown on panel. He can also outpace light with his eyes and reaction time. It doesn't matter what goku senses or doesn't sense, he's not faster than light, so he can't react to a speed blitz from superman.

Also, if Goku bfr's himself from the battlefield with instant transmission, it's an instant loss anyway.

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-And to Goku's defense-
4. Goku decides to show himself to Superman. Superman decides to speed-bust Goku on sight before Goku has a chance to say "I'm Goku and I'm from Earth!"

But like I said before, these two would never fight. They are mirror images on two separate plains of reality. They would shake hands, and use the dragon balls to help eachother get back to their respective realms of existance.

I would be inclined to believe this, they probably would, but if they fought, Superman would win.

Good post though man.

Dec 27th, 2011 04:20 AM

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Not to mention the idea of Taiyoken working on someone who can fly through the core of the sun and still be able to see fine is a little silly.

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Agreed lol.

Dec 27th, 2011 04:54 AM

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Superman never no sold a planet buster. Goku is fast enough to dance around Superman attacks and is strong enough to knock Superman the hell out.

Goku is more powerful
Goku is more durable
Goku punching power is above Supermans
Goku power output is above Superman

Superman doesn't have any advantages in this fight.

Black hair Goku 10/10.

I'm typing from my phone because I'm ripping through people on Modern Warfare 3 ...but like I said before, I will be posting fts. I would love for this to be closed since it was banned from the forum.

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Superman never no sold a planet buster. Goku is fast enough to dance around Superman attacks and is strong enough to knock Superman the hell out.

Goku is more powerful
Goku is more durable
Goku punching power is above Supermans
Goku power output is above Superman

Superman doesn't have any advantages in this fight.

Black hair Goku 10/10.

I'm typing from my phone because I'm ripping through people on Modern Warfare 3 ...but like I said before, I will be posting fts. I would love for this to be closed since it was banned from the forum.

Yet you have proven none of this except for the power output part, and I and everyone else have proven the exact opposite of your argument to be true.

Super Saiyan 1,2, 3, and 4 Goku get stomped by Superman. You have proven nothing to say otherwise.

You're right this should be closed, it's in the wrong place and spite in favor of Supes.

Superman 10/10.

Dec 27th, 2011 05:09 AM

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Originally posted by Sirius77
Yet you have proven none of this except for the power output part, and I and everyone else have proven the exact opposite of your argument to be true.

Super Saiyan 1,2, 3, and 4 Goku get stomped by Superman. You have proven nothing to say otherwise.

You're right this should be closed, it's in the wrong place and spite in favor of Supes.

Superman 10/10.

I proved it but you are in denial.

Goku doesnt need to become a Super Saiyan to win this fight.

This should be close because it was banned from the site.

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Dec 27th, 2011 05:17 AM

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Originally posted by carver9
He can't breath for an indefinite amount of time. Hell, when Earth was destroyed by kid Buu, Goku asked King Ki to see if Gohan, Piccolo, and Trunks were still alive. It's not the planetary destruction that is killing them, its the Ki release that is killing them. That like me saying "since Superman died from a punch from Doomsday that only shook a city or Superman getting koed from a blast from Doctor light that didn't cause any damage to the surrounding area, it take less than a nuke level attack to kill him".

Semi Perfect self destruct lit up heaven and hell and was felt on Earth. Again, its the Ki that is killed Goku...Cell power killed him. Thanos was koed by maker who hit him with a Nuke like attack. Superman Prime was damaged/koed by Monarch who shot a nuke like attack and he admitted that it hurt him...its not the level of power of the attack...its who the power is coming from. The planet being destroyed is just the side affect, Cell is Goku equal and he does have the power to kill him and Cell put his all into that blast. Another thing, the only reason you think it was only planetary is because Cell said it. So do we believe Cell now or are we just picking and choosing because the blast could have been much more. If we are believing Cell then let's not forget, Cell said that the blast he was going to use on Gohan had enough power to shed a solar system.

The first small blast that kid Buu shot was a planetary blast and Vegeta deflected it. The second blast wad much much more. Buu put a lot of power into that blast. Why would Buu shoot another planetary blast when we have Vegeta deflecting the first one with ease.? The second blast...Earth disintegrated...there wasn't even a piece of dirt left after the attack. It was much more than planetary and like I've said before, its not the destruction of the blast that killed them, its who the attack is coming from. I feel pretty much safe at saying that Surfer can kill Thor with blasts that wouldnt destroy the planet they are fighting on and I feel safe at saying that Superman has been damaged on multiple of occasions by blast that didn't lay waste to a planet let alone a city or a building.

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Not to mention the idea of Taiyoken working on someone who can fly through the core of the sun and still be able to see fine is a little silly.

Point taken.

So I guess the only way Goku would win is if he had about 2 million sensu beans. And ate one for each can of whoop ass superman opens. (Saiyans get stronger after each butt beating they receive). Still Goku would have to survive each endeavor, and then find the time to swallow a bean. confused

But what if Superman and Goku had an eating contest...?

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Dec 27th, 2011 05:28 AM

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*Transporter senses Sirius77's power level, and see's that he is no match for him. Transporter decides to use instant transmission and blows himself up*

But what if Superman and Goku had an eating contest...?

Definitely goku in that one lol!

Dec 27th, 2011 05:34 AM

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Originally posted by carver9
I proved it but you are in denial.

Goku doesnt need to become a Super Saiyan to win this fight.

This should be close because it was banned from the site.

Show me where you proved it. All you posted were people shouting the names of attacks and expecting them to be taken literally.

You just want to close this so that you won't have to grasp anymore.

Anyway, Superman vs any version of Goku,

Superman 10/10.

Dec 27th, 2011 05:38 AM

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This argument is stupid so Goku is nothing but japanese super man, you do realize that don't you, like that's what he's fuggin based off of

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Originally posted by carver9
Superman never no sold a planet buster. Goku is fast enough to dance around Superman attacks and is strong enough to knock Superman the hell out.

Goku is more powerful
Goku is more durable
Goku punching power is above Supermans
Goku power output is above Superman

Superman doesn't have any advantages in this fight.

Black hair Goku 10/10.

I'm typing from my phone because I'm ripping through people on Modern Warfare 3 ...but like I said before, I will be posting fts. I would love for this to be closed since it was banned from the forum.

Really carver, if you want planet busting power you are aiming low.

Here, superman survives a sun-eater collapsing on himself
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...erman477fe6.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...erman477mg7.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...cs664p01as4.jpg

Here he survives two planet colliding with a brief ko and trapped in their core as both of them were fused together

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Here he takes a direct attack from PC superboy

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Here he survives the destruction of the source wall unprotected

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...OTNG7p21-22.jpg

Your dbz type moving

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Reflecting kryptonite rays

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...eedblitzor1.jpg

Moving in the "fractions of nano-seconds"

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...nteraction1.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...nteraction2.jpg

Strength: Knocks out PC Mon-el with a single slam

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...ecial-02-36.jpg

Turns the wheels of maggedon

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...an/JLA40-20.jpg

Pushes a ship towing both earth and moon through hyperspace

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...upermanpush.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...permanpush2.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...permanpush3.jpg

When goku can do anything like above , call me.

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Like I've stated before, DBZ blast ARE light speed. These same light speed attacks has been deflected with ease by Goku and Friends...they have even been dodged point blank range.

Here we havr Master Roshi attack making it to the moon in one panel...blowing the moon up as an after shock.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumv...r.jpg.html?o=14
http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumv...r.gif.html?o=13

Here we have Piccolo using a casual blast blowing the moon up in one panel.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumv...1.jpg.html?o=12

Piccolo use his most powerful attack against Raditz and Raditz was able to side step it "leaving Piccolo in shock because Raditz was able to side step his most powerful attack that was pretty much >>>> his casual blast.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumv...1.jpg.html?o=12

Then the fact that the more powerful you are the faster your blast power is, is a standard for DBZ. Example, Piccolo was capable of redirected/knocking all of Frieza blast out of the air during Frieza first transformation. Piccolo couldn't even react to Frieza attack during Frieza last transformation due to a power jump.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumv...> .jpg.html?o=2
http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumv...> .jpg.html?o=1

Same with Vegeta. Vegeta was helpless against Frieza and couldn't react or see any of Frieza attacks until he got a power jump. He was basically outpacing Frieza blasts to its location (shown in the upper scans).

DBZ characters basically got so fast that they were able to beat their blast to its location. Here we have Gohan and Krillin shooting a blast at Guildo... Guildo freeze time, turn around and what do we see...Gohan and Krillin outracing their own attack in the blink of Super Human eyes.

http://m1143.photobucket.com/albumv...r.jpg.html?o=11

That ft is like Superman outpacing his heat vision (does Superman heat vision have ftl fts?).

More scans to come.

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Oh great it's carver again sick

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Here we havr Master Roshi attack making it to the moon in one panel...blowing the moon up as an after shock.

Here we have Piccolo using a casual blast blowing the moon up in one panel.

More scans to come.

Yeah because panels=timeframes.... thumb down

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Oh great it's carver again

Yeah because panels=timeframes....

It pretty much does. It's 3 seconds per panel at most. You can tell the blast made it almost instantly.

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It pretty much does. It's 3 seconds per panel at most. You can tell the blast made it almost instantly.

No, again you're making up bullshit.
3 seconds? That's pure speculation.
So anytime they have long conversations on one panel is 3 seconds?
GTFO carver!

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