Knocking Warrior off his feet after being tackled, breaking out of Hal’s constructs despite most of his concentration being focused elsewhere etc. aren’t things you think Thor can do?
Really?
I’ve seen Thor toss Kurse after temporarily holding his own in combat, temporarily overpowering Durok, one shotting a force field created by a noticeably amped Surfer, putting Harald into orbit, one shotting classic Abomination, rocking the Destroyer, knocking out the Celestial Amped Forgotten One (Granted he tried to pick up Mjolnir), taking Bill out of the fight with a hit, beating on classic Juggernaut, all his battles with an enraged Hulk such as pushing Merged incarnation (Savage Banner) to the very limit of his endurance etc.
You do know Thor well which is why your above statements are confusing. It’s not like he lacks the feats so I cannot think of a reason why you’d disagree.
You’re not giving Thor enough credit here imho.
Thor’s fist is on par with his hammer to a point (That point usually being charged strikes and so on), the very fact that the hammer is an inanimate object should add some advantages but in terms of striking force generated, I wouldn’t consider there to be a difference on average. At least a large one.
I really couldn’t care less what a 100 people have to say if they’re ignorant. I understand that the idea might not make real world sense but suspension of disbelief is necessary when reading comics. The difference between a punch from Thor and a Mjolnir blow has never been as large as a real world example would be unless it’s an extreme strike. A good example would be Gladiator commenting that Thor is his equal in strength after being struck by Mjolnir. That alone gives an insight on how a writer views the relationship.
I mean, I’ve seen Mjolnir collide equally with a charged Destroyer punch and then after an extended battle, he did just as well with his fist. Logic says that shouldn’t happen, the Destroyer doesn’t even tire or relent, but there you go, suspension of disbelief and all.
Maybe I'm thinking off this too much in the context of what would happen in a comic book, technically this fight can go on for century or something else that silly. I just have trouble seeing Lobo knocking out Thor straight up for the most part for the most part, I find the opposite more likely, but Thor bag and all.
I don't think super speed or hand to hand skills will play much of a role between Lobo and Thor. Just my opinion, but it's how shit usually works when such characters get together from what I've seen.
Fair enough I guess.
I'm fine with someone thinking Lobo takes 5-6/10.
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Question here for Thor fans - I know Rage has said that Thor's fists = Mjolnir, or at least, similar.
Would the enchantments on Mjolnir add to its weight? For example, if I swung a 50lb hammer at someone, then tried swinging a normal claw hammer, the 50lb hammer would hurt more, because I used more mass.
So would the 'If he be worthy' enchantment add to the damage?
just because Rage said something doesnt make it true, everyone knows that mjolnir makes him hit harder it should be a common sense because its the hit + the mammer, thor is already using his strongest hit when hitting with mjolnir so the hammer can just make it even grater unless you will argue that mjolnir has no power at all and thats just stupid
thor cracked a dimensional barrier with mjolnir he didnt and cant do anything similar with his fists
Only up to a point. On average. There will always be an advantage of swinging an animate object but in terms of striking power force generated, it should be a wash until we hit a certain threshold.
If it does, I've never seen it mentioned and I doubt anyone has considered the worthiness enchantment in such a manner.
Kurse should take Thor in a close combat fight with or without Mjolnir but I don't understand what's so embarassing about that. The Classic Beyonder specifically empowered him with a strength intended to be over twice as great as Thor's.
Yea, and Lobo lost his anal virginity. Thor 10/10 on principle alone.
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You may not agree with my stance but this isn't something I've made up off of the top of my head. It might not make the best of sense but the difference between Mjolnir and Thor's fist was never as large as it would be in real life barring charged strikes. Even under Lee imo.
Fun fact: Thor/Hercules struck each other's fists, closing a hole in space/time.
as a thor fan you know its a fact that thor gets bested in most of his 1 on 1 fights, just look at his recent showing yet again he got owned and pummled to the ground
Lobo does much better in fights and overall by majority showings doesnt go down easily as thor does, Lobo by feats and showing is beating thor every single time in a fist fight
listen i know its comics but even in comics some logic should be used, thor is using A force when punching, when hitting with mjolnir he is using the same A force + the momentum + mass+ density + force of mjolnir, thats very laughable to say he hits with the same force
him and herc doing such thing is a PIS, but even if we take it seriously than it took the combined force of both thor and his equel in strength hercules so that means thor X2
you can have all thor apearences i dont care it doesnt change the fact you look at them in a very biased manner and refuce to admit when your boy is wooped which is most of the time
go watch his showings again and get back to me
iam not going by what i find comfortable i go by the basics and things that should be clear as day light even if we go by showings which portray thor cracking dimensions barriers with mjolnir show me him doing that with his fists
i am the one who souldnt waste any time with you thorBag , now get lost
Yes, I'm a Thor fan, that doesn't change the fact that you're just plain wrong. The Odinson doesn't "get bested in most of his 1 on 1 fights" which is pretty spectacular because on average he probably has a tougher rogue's gallery than any mainstream hero. Even when he does lose, he usually returns the favor when cutting loose or wins etc.
I don't need to re-read anything. I've seen Lobo get punked more than a few times and his highs aren't higher than Thor's. It's one thing to think he'd get the win here, but to believe he has a far superior record to Thor and that he'd stomp is just plain trolling.
Once again, I couldn't care less what you think. I'm basing my opinion purely on how I've seen the relationship treated over the decades and I stand by what I've said. There's no doubt that he has more striking feats with Mjolnir, he would for the simple reason he uses it most of the time, but that doesn't really change my point or evidence.
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