When you leave out the context and try to take cheapshots at Thor for beating two amped opponents then you're wrong.
Thor beat the Thing and he wasn't a nuisance but obviously wasn't on Thor and the Hulk's level. Still an amped Thing and an amped Hulk versus Thor is a tad unfair and lopsided...wouldn't you say ?
Thor's ko'd him before. I could care less if he admits he could never beat him. I agree Hulk wins the majority of their matchups due to Thor's approach against the Hulk but also don't ignore a clear ko or a bfr victory in the same issue. Slugging it out with someone who gets stronger and increases their healing factor isn't a wise tactic but Thor seems to hold his own for the most part.
How could I leave out context, when I entered a discussion that was already underway about the issue itself?
You think Damborgson, celeyhyga17, Fifthchild any everybody else haven't read the issue, and are just discussing in vacuum?
I'm misleading them by not pointing out context which they obviously already know?
Thor beat him by calling his hammer.
He was a nuisance. His contribution to Thor's difficulties against Hulk is basically null.
I'm not here to start a discussion about the historial portrayal of Hulk vs Thor. I'm here to talk this issue. Thor was losing the fight, until his last move, which BFRd Hulk, but left him in a worse condition than him, who stood up and continue fighting in another part of the globe.
People pretending this proves "all out Thor > Hulk" are wrong. Severly so.
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I don't know I don't read all 39 pages before I enter a debate. I am guessing neither did you. You undersold Thor and left out the bit where he was gassed due to fighting two amped opponents. I mean he still won but then you acted like it's a poor showing since Thor was worse for the wear. Hulk has a healing factor so looking worse off after beating them is just you trying to taunt Thor fans. I won't stand for it.
He wasn't a nuisance he just isn't on Thor's level. When Thor goes all out people get hurt. Badly. See airwalker.
You referenced Thor's comment in reference to his history with the Hulk. I brought up an easy ko of the Hulk by Thor. All out Thor against an all out Thor is much closer than people would imagine. But in light of the recent Pak Hulk glory coupled with Thor's recent embarrasing ko's make people forget about every great showing of Thor's and his long history against the Hulk. People go nuts over the latest showing and want to disregard everything else in favoro of the comic which just hit the stands.
"An empty speech bubble in a non-combat situation does not indicate that the character is unconscious"
does not imply that conversely:
"An empty speech bubble in a combat situation indicates that the character is unconscious"
Basically i feel you are talking around the central point which is that:
a) There is no time when an empty speech bubble is assigned to an obviously unconscious character.
b) There are plenty of times when an empty speech bubble is associated with a clearly conscious character.
All of which renders your assertion that "an empty speech bubble is a reliable indicator of unconsciousness" pretty dubious.
In fact it sems like a rather unreliable indicator at best and at worst a pretty good sign that the character was in fact conscious.
So one of your big pieces of evidence as to why this empty speech bubble indicates unconsciousness is....because Nul had an empty speech bubble and he was unconscious? Thats a nice piece of circular logic.
Your "more depth" was just a longer explanation of why you feel Hulk was KOed along with a reason for why you felt Hulk should be able to talk in space which was irrelevant because, as i said previously, I dont think thats the reason for the empty speech bubble.
It doesnt look like any more info is going to be added to the discussion at this point so I'll probably leave it here.
Except the two instances which I pointed out. Nul and Galactus.
I'm not talking around anything. I've talked about literally everything you've posted. And I honestly don't care for repeating myself much.
Hey way to go, that's the 2nd time you've ignored evidence I provided trying to make it sound less concrete by taking an out of context phrase. Like I said earlier (twice) I could see it just being considered a heavy stun. But a a ko doesn't seem to far off either.
My "more depth" was explain why I believe what I do. That's what you do in a debate.
lol? So, I provide an argument as to the reason why Nul is ko'd. You disagree, therefore the evidence I brought up is irrelevant because you don't think it was ko? Very interesting. Then I think your examples are highly irrelevant seeing as they were from characters who had not suffered a heavy attack. Most of which were standing in place. Wow that was easy.
Bottom line is Thor didn't just fight amped Hulk and amped Thing.
Let's list because some peeps fail or choose to forget. For what reason I don't know.
Fought small army of ice trolls. - check
Blasted by a skyfather. - check
Fought amped Hulk(KO) and amped Thing(killed). - check
All of which happened in sudden succession.
The idea that he collapsed solely from fighting amped Hulk is just completely and utterly ridiculous.
Hulk has more threads on KMC than any character. It's insane. Hard to debate against or for a character that doesn't have a tier. Especially for WWH who is the most powerful Hulk ever and who fts belong to him, all of them, no matter the incarnation. Don't think people grasped how powerful Pak intended for Hulk to be. There are instances where he got pissed during the WWH arc but he always held back, always. Even during his World Breaker mode he held back. Hell, Hulk even said he retained the Nul part of him. Held him back even while possessed (this was also shown when he told Betty to run. The only of the Serpent's that fought against the spell. This was also shown when he ripped his hammer to shreds to save his friends lives. Nul also didn't kill a single person while possessed with the entity).
Hulk always wins, no matter what. He is the god of strength and power.
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