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Will pedophilia be rebranded as "intergenerational intimacy"?
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None of those things are mutually exclusive.


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Originally posted by dadudemon
The problem is not whether or not a person can impregnate or be impregnated. The path you're taking is a slippery-slope path: cripples shouldn't have sex, eunichs shouldn't have sex, sterile people shouldn't have sex, some dwarves and little people shouldn't, and so forth.

What. I'm not sure how "pedophiles should be ostracized for the betterment of society" translates to "that one-legged hobo down the street shouldn't have sex."
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In ancient Greece, homosexuality was considered normal in noble circles. In the 1950s, it was considered a mental disorder. Therefore, I would say your "we are constantly getting more tolerant of sexualities; its a slippery slope" may not in fact be a historically real trend.

Greek society was morally degenerate.
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can you elaborate on your point? you are saying despite their current, historical and consistently stated position on CSA, the APA actually promotes pedophilia, though they did everything in their power to distance themselves from Rind et al's paper and provided ample opportunity for people to critisize it within their journals?

despite never making a statement even remotely similar to those of Rind et al's, and in fact criticizing their findings, motivations and methodologies, the APA actually support Rind et al's position?

It is sort of unclear and I am ever so slow sometimes... is that actually what you are saying?

What I'm saying is that they probably only distanced themselves due to public outrage, and I guarantee they will endorse pedophilia as normal and healthy within a few generations. Assuming we don't have a massive, well-deserved collapse and retreat into smaller communities that don't put up with progressive horseshit.


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I guarantee they will endorse pedophilia as normal and healthy within a few generations


I'll take that bet


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And on that day that they do, a legion of conservatives, abortion bombers, white supremacists, jew and gay haters, football coaches, and catholic priests will finally be free to go about their bidness.


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Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Greek society was morally degenerate.

Degenerated from what? And anyway, that is hardly my point; you act like "well, traditionally, homosexuality is not tolerated; that is, until those liberals interfered and made it commonplace". My point is that, no, there was no "historic tradition of heterosexuality" opposed to modern styles; acceptance of homosexuality has waxed and waned in a variety of cultures in a variety of times.


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Degenerated from what? And anyway, that is hardly my point; you act like "well, traditionally, homosexuality is not tolerated; that is, until those liberals interfered and made it commonplace". My point is that, no, there was no "historic tradition of heterosexuality" opposed to modern styles; acceptance of homosexuality has waxed and waned in a variety of cultures in a variety of times.

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Degenerated from what? And anyway, that is hardly my point; you act like "well, traditionally, homosexuality is not tolerated; that is, until those liberals interfered and made it commonplace". My point is that, no, there was no "historic tradition of heterosexuality" opposed to modern styles; acceptance of homosexuality has waxed and waned in a variety of cultures in a variety of times.

Yes, all in failed cultures of decadence and hedonism.


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Yes, all in failed cultures of decadence and hedonism.

You do realize that the popular perception of hedonism was more or less invented as a strawman by the opponents of the original movement, right?

Actually no, I'm quite sure you don't realize that.


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Yes, all in failed cultures of decadence and hedonism.

But 1950s America is also a failed, bygone culture.


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But 1950s America is also a failed, bygone culture.



Other than the lingering racism and sexism, it was literally the most successful decade in America's history (or in the history of the world as far as scientific, economic, and "happiness index" progression is concerned). It was the exact opposite of a failure. It is bygone culture, for sure.


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Other than the lingering racism and sexism, it was literally the most successful decade in America's history (or in the history of the world as far as scientific, economic, and "happiness index" progression is concerned). It was the exact opposite of a failure. It is bygone culture, for sure.


Unless you want to reinstate the racism, sexism, culture of fear, and extensive poverty in an ideal society those would all make it failures. It didn't work and society moved on as a result.

Economically and scientifically it was a boom time, to be sure (the polio vaccine alone changed everyone's lives for the better) but peaks in other areas don't mean that the culture around them is also doing well.


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But 1950s America is also a failed, bygone culture.

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Hahaha.
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Only because of people like you.
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You do realize that the popular perception of hedonism was more or less invented as a strawman by the opponents of the original movement, right?

Older men ****ing younger boys: not hedonism in the progressive world.


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Other than the lingering racism and sexism, it was literally the most successful decade in America's history (or in the history of the world as far as scientific, economic, and "happiness index" progression is concerned). It was the exact opposite of a failure. It is bygone culture, for sure.

Yeah yeah, and Greece had Aristotle. If the measure of success is their ability to stick around, Hellenistic philosophy has had a lot more staying power than the kind of attitude Zeal touts as traditional.


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Hahaha.

Only because of people like you.

Older men ****ing younger boys: not hedonism in the progressive world.

Pederasty and hedonism aren't the same.

Now obviously some hedonists were pederasts, but not all of them.


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When the entire society is filled with pederasts, I think it's safe to say the society is hedonistic.


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If the measure of success is their ability to stick around...


That's only one measure.


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Economically and scientifically it was a boom time, to be sure (the polio vaccine alone changed everyone's lives for the better) but peaks in other areas don't mean that the culture around them is also doing well.


This is closer to my point and addresses why I think it was such a successful decade. Many more things occurred in the 50s that make it awesome...and it laid the most groundwork for the biggest positive social changes in America (the 60s).


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The '60s gave rise to the liberal Boomers who have consistently voted to shit up America ever since they were born. The '60s were a decade that can go **** itself.


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In ancient Greece, homosexuality was considered normal in noble circles. In the 1950s, it was considered a mental disorder. Therefore, I would say your "we are constantly getting more tolerant of sexualities; its a slippery slope" may not in fact be a historically real trend.


Wasn't pedophilia also considered normal in noble circles however?


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Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
hedonistic



You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


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