So it's powerful because it drained Surfer? Awesome logic.
OK.
Because she stopped draining him and started gloating. Surfer then atomized her staff.
Not resisted the draining.
The entire city was an energy draining device. Hence Surfer was depowered all the time.
Like when? He has done it when the weapons draining him aren't equipped with draining him entirely. Did you even read the story? They were draining him successfully until they stopped and surfer overloaded their weapons by firing all his energy at once. It was specifically stated even.
Quasar doesn't has unlimited energy on his disposal. And Superman has better range and power of energy manipulation than Quasar. He can manipulate kinetic, psychic, magical and life energy which both surfer and Quasar can't.
From fodder demons? What's next? Beating hand ninjas as a feat?
Well I actually have. And Grandmaster brought surfer from 616 reality past to future.
It's never informed that he was from an alternate reality.
It was Reed's invention to absorb cosmic radiation. Not designed for Surfer. Read the comic before spouting nonsense.
I have. It's just an energy drainer.
I have. It still doesn't excuses his casual draining.
Better than Surfer? Where was that fabled energy manipulation then?
What are you talking about? The creature flay out stated that the storm was just for show.
And surfer didn't absorb the creature in his body. Where did you get that?
Are you sure about the same device draining Galactus and Beyonder? Doom stole his power by some magnets. It's not that hard to replicate.
Well, it's good thing that Superman can absorb energy better than Quasar.
And Krosakis overloaded himself.
These are two cases. I've shown nearly twenty cases where draining is a very effective tactic against Surfer. More than against any Herald.
Well Quasar isn't a superior energy manipulator than energy Superman. He explicitly can't manipulate kinetic energy from physical attacks.
You're the one that brought up the instance and the showing has Surfer resisting energy draining for a considerable amount of time.
They never stopped draining Surfer, Jude was taunting Surfer about being drained when Surfer overcame Janus and Shaara's draining, broke out of their quarantine fields and grabbed Jude's arm directing a shot from his gun into Shaara. Surfer then threw Jude into a wall, grabbed Janus and overloaded his draining equipment.
What does this have to do with Quasar being a better energy manipulator than Surfer?
Again, you brought up the instance and it's an instance where draining was ineffective against Surfer.
Then you must have missed the part where Rulk kills the Surfer he drained, that Surfer is dead, it's not Earth-616 Surfer.
It may not have been designed specifically for the Surfer but it was designed specifically for cosmic energy, that's why General Fredricks's used it against the Surfer.
It says right in your scan, it literally says 'The coalition prepared me well for this mission" and "They have armed me with weapons specifically designed with you in mind".
It required the High Evolutionary's ship, a host of draining cables and the High Evolutionary's intense concentration. You think that's casual draining?
As far as feats of overpowering energy draining go, I'd say Hulk is indeed better than Surfer.
Quasar is very adept at specifically draining opponents though, he even drained a Watcher (Otmu), on one occasion.
Strange he would specifically beg Surfer to stop then.
Based on this comment, I'm just now realizing, I was probably mistaken in presuming you were missing context, I think you know the context, you're just ignoring it and are going to continue trying to present all of these showings in support of your argument, regardless of what they actually show and regardless of anything I say. Considering that, it seems pointless to keep at this.
It's literally stated in the first panel Surfer shows up in, in Hulk #10.
Abhi's guide to Surfer continuity:
Does it make Surfer look good?
Yes = Non-canon, No = Canon!
The majority of Abhi's scan dump of Surfer being drained involved advanced prep/tech and element of surprise--Superman Blue has neither of those in this thread so they're irrelevant.
^ Namor's not even an energy being. When Muu fought half powered Surfer he had all the Marvel Heroes from Earth hooked up to his power plant channeling power to him--so he was exponentially more powerful when he fought Surfer.
Without prep and the element of surprise, Surfer's pretty good at resisting draining. He resisted Galactus recently and resisted Rogue too.
The amount of energy Skaar was channeling was stated to be able to sate Galactus for 100,000 years, and given 1 planet feeds Big G for a month on average--we're talking about Surfer draining and sealing away hundreds of thousands of planets worth of energy here at the minimal. http://s27.postimg.org/6bi5i9ydv/skaar_07_019.jpg
One planet's worth of energy is nothing to Surfer.
It's downright comical some of his explanations from the scans he posted. The one vs Algos Demonstar for example, Surfer says right there in one of the panels that he's basically holding back for fear of killing him. Very next page(strangely enough was left out), Surfer handles him like a redheaded step child.
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Looks like Surfer doesn't know WTF he is talking about.
And Old power is a corrupted form of power cosmic. Easier for Surfer to manipulate. When he actually tried that against Marduk on earth, he nearly died in the process.
You can't seem to comprehend that being from a different universe and different timeline aren't mutually exclusive, and in fact often go hand-in-hand in alternate universe stories.
The Surfer in Hulk #10-12 was stated on-panel to be from a different universe and a different timeline. Hence not applicable to current Surfer. Simple.
It's a fact.
I'm pretty sure Surfer's silvery skin is standard equipment, I could be wrong though.
And where did I say otherwise? He said he gets power channeled to him, but he can absorb power from beings into himself, as shown by my scans.
Yes he did, and again with the skin thing?
And? Doesn't change anything. The energy source was so potent it made Galactus addicted and don't know what you're referring to with Marduk.
Your "myth-bust" completely ignores the fact that when Surfer traveled through the cosmic swell--described as a "temporal vortex" and a place where "temporal and spatial waves" crash--Surfer was split into two beings:
(1) one actually traveled into the Uni-Lord universe
(2) the other that failed to crossover and went back to the 616 Universe
You also ignored the ending of the Uni-Lord saga where Uni-Lord Surfer uses up his Uni-Lord power to re-open the cosmic well and travel back into the 616 universe where he temporally merges with 616 Surfer.
^ Notice in the 2nd scan Surfer says the cosmic swell is a "temporal vortex where past, present, and future tumble over each other" and he sees his 616 self (highlighted in green) while travelling across the cosmic well and aims to merge with him in the next panels.
Anyways this explanation is more for people who haven't read the Uni-Lord Saga. Can't have them actually believing abhi's half-baked attempt at a myth-bust.
This isn't the first time abhi's been wrong about Surfer continuity. He was wrong about Epic Illustrated #1 being non-canon and wrong about Surfer in the Rulk story being canon to 616 Surfer.
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