Hahaha. Four whole months. You're hella whack, bra.
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"Here, though, we're rating Obama's promise to remove combat troops within 16 months of taking office. Technically, he's a few months over the deadline, but he often said 'about 16 months' on the campaign trail."
"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Are there combat troops still in Iraq, by the military definition?
No, the last of them left in Late December.
Campaign promise of "about 16 months" kept?
No.
He failed to maintain his campaign promise.
Why? Because the last of the combat troops did not leave until late december of 2011.
When did Obama take office?
January 20, 2009.
What would be 16 months after January 20, 2009?
May 20, 2010.
Even if we give him 3 extra months, just for kicks (because he did say about about 16 months), he still did not keep his promise.
If a project manager repeatedly gave an estimated project completion of about 16 months and blew the deadline by 7 months, he or she would be fired or removed from subsequent projects.
How about another way?
If you promise your "left-wing" supporters a left-wingish campaign promise but fail to make the dead line more than half a year later, you blew it. If you promised to pay back a loan and failed to do so by about half a year, you blew it. No matter how it is cut up, Obama failed to keep the promise from the campaign.
Political fact check should give Obama a "mostly failed" score, instead of a "all the way kept" rating. I think their score is a bit bias.
They are going by a subsequent promise he made AFTER the campaign promise which was not what I was referring to.
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"The Daemon lied with every breath. It could not help itself but to deceive and dismay, to riddle and ruin. The more we conversed, the closer I drew to one singularly ineluctable fact: I would gain no wisdom here."
Not really though. He pulled them out at the same deadline that President Bush had set. They should've been pulled out much sooner. And we are still in Afghanistan.
So people are crying cos he wasn't able to do it in some exact and unrealistic time-line? LoL, whiners. There's plenty of ammo to point the boo-on-you finger at Obama, this is scraping though.
I don't recall promises for Afghanistan and I am not so concerned that we're there, as that's the place America should have solely focused on after 9/11, not the BS was in Iraq so a bunch of people could make money.
You not only insulted me but you deliberately lied about what I had said (water under the bridge: IDGAF). What I said is on this very same page a few pages up. Just because you did not name a person, specifically, does not mean you did not direct your comments at a specific person.
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When did Obama take office?
January 20, 2009.
What would be 16 months after January 20, 2009?
May 20, 2010.
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Campaign promise of 'about 16 months' kept?
No.
He failed to maintain his campaign promise.
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Even if we give him 3 extra months, just for kicks (because he did say about about 16 months), he still did not keep his promise."
I did not just apply it to an exact date, I gave multiple months of leeway after outlining the exact dates to illustrate that he never met that, either. And the withdrawal timeline was not unrealistic. In fact, it could have been done sooner. We could have been done back in 2007, if we wanted to be. We should not have been there in that capacity to begin with.
If you're going to throw around insults and make condescending posts, at least make sure you are right about it first.
And for the left-wingers, our imperialistic foreign-land occupations were near the top of the list agenda back in 2008. "Bring our troops home!!! RAWR!" Or are you forgetting the protesters that protested for years at various state capitols and in DC?
There's a very real reason Obama made such a campaign promise: it was to directly satisfy one of the biggest complains from the left: his primary voting demographic.
Failing to keep that campaign promise, even if we give him several months of lee-way, is still failing to keep that promise.
Regardless, the request was bring ALL troops home. If you remember, Obama said that that was one of the things he was going to do if he took office. But remember he changed his tune, apologized, and then talked about how impractical that was? I do. I remember that. If I REALLY wanted to be an *sshole, I could complain about that instead of the official presidential platform he ran on.
He did make promises for Afghanistan. He promised to shift focus from Iraq to Afghanistan in at least 2 debates he had with McCain.
Additionally, it is ignorance to think that Iraq had nothing to do with US-targeted terrorism. Whether they were supported by the Baath Party and Hussein or independent terror cells, it does not matter. The fact that Iraq housed or allowed terror-related activities pre-2003 does indicate that the US should have had some sort of interest in Iraq. This runs external of Operation Iraqi-Freedom, by the way - I do not think we should have ever done that.
This:
The left is saying Obama succeeded when he did not succeed in keeping his campaign promise. He missed his deadline by almost exactly 7 months. You (Robtard) say "boohoo" and I say, "tell that to the parents, siblings, children, spouses, lovers, and friends of the people who didn't make it home because they had to stay in the shit 7 extra months."
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"Over everything?"
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"And the stars obey you?"
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Jan 16th, 2012 04:51 AM
We could have been done back in 2007, if we wanted to be. 
