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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Incidentally, fascism, genocide, rape, and slavery are all biblical values as well.

Therein lies the difference between secular and religious morality. Secular morality is self-correcting; it improves and becomes more fair over time. Religious morality is fixed; The Bible still endorses all the same atrocities it did in the Bronze age.






You would be better off not following Judeo-Christian moral systems, because they are inherently immoral.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Because if I want someone to do as a I say without question, "Because a god says so," is more effective than, "Because I say so."

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Those who worship god are blindly following an imagined dictator.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
No they are not. Have you read the Bible?

What Religion are you talking about exactly?

I doubt that. Considering that anything that goes against the Jewish/Christian concept of morality is considered wrong and punished by most Governments.



Well i guess will never know.

It might it might not.

It all resumes to faith.

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1 Samuel 15:2–3

Thus says the Lord of hosts, "Now go and strike the Amalekites and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

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Numbers 31:17–8

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. But all the girls who are virgins, take for yourselves.

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1 Peter 2:18

Slaves, obey your masters, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are wicked and cruel.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander


To you a dictator to others a king.

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Originally posted by Robtard
At least the Christian God is good and thorough when it comes to annihilating one's enemies, even the infants and livestock are not spared

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE

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18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19 For it is commendable if someone bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because they are conscious of God. 20 But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

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Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You're aware that kings are dictators?

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I am awared of such lines and many more.

Yet it seems you forget that the New Testament came to renew the law.

Besides those were stories of battles and war.

I don't recall reading anything similar in the 10 commandments or anything that says that you are allowed to murder in the bible.

Peter 2 18-25:

If you are going to quote something quote the entire passage, not just one line.

The passage is clearly not saying that God approves slavery. Stop twisting the bible.

Conclusion: Read the bible again .

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you are so "aware" of the existence of those verses, then you would also know that some of them are from the New Testament. I chose them precisely to demonstrate that the immorality of The Bible is not limited to the Old Testament.

Moreover, the Old Testament law still applies. Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, and that not one detail of the law would be changed until his second coming. Surely, you must agree, because you cited the Ten Commandments, which are in the Old Testament.

Furthermore, the verses I cited are not accounts of things that happened, but direct commands from God. When God commands people to commit infanticide and genocide, to rape little girls, and instructs them how to own people as slaves, that is an endorsement.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
The only New Testament site you gave was that of Peter. Which again isn't availing slavery

Again, you are mistaking law with stories. Those are tails of war and battle. They are not law.

Commands of God in times of war.

Either way, what if God commands to rape and kill?

Again, he is the creator of the rules and moral codes! That means he is again the only one that can alter them and skip them!

God decides what is moral and what's not. In that aspect, those people weren't being immoral. They were just following God's command.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If a god is a part of the equation you cannot expect the rules to be the same, because morality would then be arbitrary to the will of god. If god decided tomorrow that child molestation was righteous, it would be. And since you do not believe you are capable of making moral determinations independently of god, you would have no basis to say that such a command was wrong.

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Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Thanks for proving my point: