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BloodRain
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From higher ground and/or over millions of years yeah. Not with a km rise in water in 2k years.
If has the specific places with nothing saying its to scale. Even CC commented that in-game Greece is far larger. If the location areas, landmarks, scale and water level are all vastly different than RW, why should we use real distances?
AZ quote = AZ. Location quotes = locations. Location quotes =/= distances.
Why? Gods govern/personify their trait, they dont have perfect control or use of it. (Ref. any other god)

Sea connects to the west coast, Hades is just hanging there at the bottom. If not indicating its below, its say its past the edge of the world which it is.

So he made an impossible arc/throw over an unknown distance. That'd be even less reason to take a figure from it. I'm all for it being lightning speed, just nothing solid to get that high-end speed.

Yes by a few meters, not 90.

**** Dante, the bets if /I/ can kick his broken ass


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Nothing to say its 2k years before current events. And if something fixed up the Chaos like Zeus intended to, most of that water would recede anyway.
Because only Greece is noted to be different.
Because properties of said traits don't change in most cases. Water is still water, Lightning is still Lightning.

No, if the sea connects to west coast, then Hades connects to the South. Completely open for interpretation.
It's a road map, not an atlas.

Or he threw it diagonally from his raised throne at the top of the world.
'Instant' and 'Lightning turning Sand to glass' says other-wise to it not being high-end speed of actual Return Stroke Lightning.

Never said it was 90. Still skewed.

If Dante can't kick the ass of a leg-less Hermes, you have no chance against a worn out Hermes.


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Thats when ancient Greek was in its prime/end iirc. No one is left at his caliber, and if it did recede to a 'non-surrounding the mountain' level, the desert would as well be at the surface. We know Greece at least isn't to scale anyhow.
Even if we assume Greece is the only thing thats different, its still half of the lightning speed calc. We can't say its the same distance if its increased size would in fact make this distance shorter.
Changes in most of the gods case. Lightning is lightning, but the speeds don't have to relate.

It is open, but applying what we know from the game it makes more sense that its indicating Hades is below.

Then it wouldn't flash into the sky, it would go on a descending diagonal path to Ares.
Instant is a generalized term, running the length of Central Park in a few secs is instant. Turning sand to glass from the heat, not its speed. [Leader is the bolt, Return's just the charge >:[ )

Ok, but unless you are suggesting +90m it wont come to Ma1. But his speed means nothing to anyone else, right?


To catch that broke ass? I can ride a bicycle and blitz him.. and thus the GoW verse


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Thats when ancient Greek was in its prime/end iirc. No one is left at his caliber, and if it did recede to a 'non-surrounding the mountain' level, the desert would as well be at the surface. We know Greece at least isn't to scale anyhow.
Even if we assume Greece is the only thing thats different, its still half of the lightning speed calc. We can't say its the same distance if its increased size would in fact make this distance shorter.
Changes in most of the gods case. Lightning is lightning, but the speeds don't have to relate.

It is open, but applying what we know from the game it makes more sense that its indicating Hades is below.

Then it wouldn't flash into the sky, it would go on a descending diagonal path to Ares.
Instant is a generalized term, running the length of Central Park in a few secs is instant. Turning sand to glass from the heat, not its speed. [Leader is the bolt, Return's just the charge >:[ )

Ok, but unless you are suggesting +90m it wont come to Ma1. But his speed means nothing to anyone else, right?


To catch that broke ass? I can ride a bicycle and blitz him.. and thus the GoW verse


No one that we know of.
Increased size would make this distance longer if everything else remains the same.
Not really. Zeus' Lightning has on multiple occasions been demonstrated to be actual lightning, and Ares confirms that his thunderbolts = lightning strikes. Ergo, the speeds are more or less the same for Zeus. It's more cut and dry than Dante having Lightning speeds based on your calc that most here haven't looked over and an in-game statement, so don't bother arguing against this. I will not bother discussing this again. It's becoming as annoying to me as the LLLC attempting to prove Ganon's attacks are Lightning were annoying to you.

Applying what we know of in-game to the map, Hades would not be directly below some mountains only. It would be directly below everything, including the seas.
It is open, which is why its a road map.

He doesn't throw it upwards. If his target is below him, he's never thrown a Thunderbolt upwards as far as I can recall. Again, Olympus = roof of the world.
No one would refer to running across a park in a few seconds as 'instantly'. So no. And while the term is generalized, it wouldn't refer to anything more than 1-2 seconds here.
Yeah, my bad, I thought it was the return stroke that turned the sand into glass.
Return strokes are what we see as the bolt of Lighting. That's pretty much all that counts.

Nah, it's clearly > Mach 1 and well into high-end hypersonic territory as he moved a Titan by bullrushing into it.
Means nothing more than he's not the fastest moving thing in his universe.

Then you are saying Dante is leagues slower than you riding a bicycle.

Also, I'm quitting this discussion. Too tired and it is pointless to argue in circles. Meh.


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BloodRain
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Last note: Controlling lightning =/= controlling each aspect. And we've all clearly admitted that the landscape is completely different to RW, so no RW distance is usable.

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as the LLLC attempting to prove Ganon's attacks are Lightning were annoying to you.

I actually enjoyed those moments :I

Aight, calling quits it is. We already settled our main points (Hermes, Horsething, no dodging lightning sans trailer), the rest doesn't matter as much.


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Fine, annoying to Nephthys.

Meh. Horsething was accelerating, trailer counts & Kratos deflects Lightning anyway, and Hermes would still run circles around DDT Dante using Quicksilver & Time Bangle and you on a bicycle.


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Trailer needs in-game support iirc :T
He'd run circles because the sight of him running is so sad that you instantly feel sorry for the guy and just end up letting him have his moment happy


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Has as much support as the Rain feat from DMC3
And you'd/Dante would then instantly regret feeling sorry for a much faster opponent when he uses relativity to punch you to Pluto.


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Games intro about actual in-game scene > Some never-happened trailer with made-up cloud spirit

You think relativity and being sent to Pluto is anything more than a casual feat for me, Dante or Kyle Hyde? Oh you


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Game's non-canon intro scene with shitty narration < Game's non-canon trailer.

Well, you, Dante and Kyle Hyde pooling your speed together and using Jay Garrick's Speed boosting formula, wouldn't be able to sniff relativistic speeds, whereas a holding back wounded Hermes can move FTL. So yeah.


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Hey, when you're hot you can say whatever the hell you want. Beats Gaia's narrations which hardly gets a rise outa me. You'd be right with the <> if we had game Kratos backflipping from bolts, instead of ya'know, getting schooled by some slow douche with a limp

Thats only because our combined speed is so grand that time bends over backwards and fails at demonstrating our speed. Foolish mortals and your FTL hopes.


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Point: We see actual lightning in the background of the Zeus and Hermes (the alleged speedster of the Gods) fights, and its incomprehensibly faster than anything either Zeus or Hermes ever pulls out. Seriously, its going from the clouds to ground level in less time than it took magic-lightning-clone-thing Zeus to cover the few few feet between him and Kratos.

And, FWIW, in addition to fighting a powerful lightning user of his own in Deus, Asura has caught missiles that were traveling miles per second, dodged hails of energy/lava from Ghoma that doing similar, and even dodged blasts from Vlitra that were going from the core/surface of the Earth into orbit in less than a second. So yeah, he's way faster than anything I remember from Kratos, if that's still a question.

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Hey, when you're hot you can say whatever the hell you want. Beats Gaia's narrations which hardly gets a rise outa me. You'd be right with the <> if we had game Kratos backflipping from bolts, instead of ya'know, getting schooled by some slow douche with a limp

Thats only because our combined speed is so grand that time bends over backwards and fails at demonstrating our speed. Foolish mortals and your FTL hopes.


Gaia has got the far bigger bewbs and ass, and is what Lady wishes she could be when she grows up.
Nah, Kratos surfs on Lightning Bolts all the time. He was just feeling sorry for Hermes like you guys would, but because Kratos has infinite mass, he didn't get punched to Pluto like you guys would be.

Yeah, you're right. Hermes is far faster than FTL. He's omnipresent.


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And, FWIW, in addition to fighting a powerful lightning user of his own in Deus, Asura has caught missiles that were traveling miles per second, dodged hails of energy/lava from Ghoma that doing similar, and even dodged blasts from Vlitra that were going from the core/surface of the Earth into orbit in less than a second. So yeah, he's way faster than anything I remember from Kratos, if that's still a question.


Asura's by far the fastest, strongest and most durable person on the field here. It's no question at all.


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Asura's by far the fastest, strongest and most durable person on the field here. It's no question at all.
Well, in terms of speed, Bayonetta's possibly in his league, maybe a notch faster (until he went Destructor and becomes ridiculously FTL, anyways). In the time it takes for someone to be quickly winched up to a helicopter, Bayonetta can have entire boss fights that include conversations, surfing, and creating multiple impacts in water that she and the boss fight in, and still manage to get get into the helicopter first.

To underline this, it wasn't until she got into the helicopter and slowed herself down to the level of the guy being winched up that those aforementioned impacts had time to actually start causing splashes instead of just being chasms in the water.

And in the same fight that she headbutts a flying building away, she also dodges an orbital laser, IIRC.

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She's manipulating time to 'increase' her own speed to those levels when compared to the rest of the world, as opposed to Asura who just moves ridiculously fast naturally. But yeah. Dante can also use Time manip to 'increase' his own hypersonic speed.

Asura is still the fastest being here.


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She's manipulating time to 'increase' her own speed to those levels when compared to the rest of the world, as opposed to Asura who just moves ridiculously fast naturally. But yeah. Dante can also use Time manip to 'increase' his own hypersonic speed.

Asura is still much faster than anyone else here.
IIRC, Witch Time is done so casually that it pretty much is functional super speed (ala DC's Zoom). Heck, she can maintain it for entire boss battles and still go to an even higher level of it while fighting at that speed so as to make the beings who were able to keep up with her in basic Witch Time seem to be statues.

I think she has a base degree of bullet timer+ level super speed as well, seeing as how she managed to dodge a bullet that someone else caught in Witch Time (or whatever that guy's equivalent tech was) and moved to right in front of her own face while she seemed to be a statue.

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Asura is still the fastest being here.


Yeah, asura's like 1800 X FTL and can starbust

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IIRC, Witch Time is done so casually that it pretty much is functional super speed (ala DC's Zoom). Heck, she can maintain it for entire boss battles and still go to an even higher level of it while fighting at that speed so as to make the beings who were able to keep up with her in basic Witch Time seem to be statues.

I think she has a base degree of bullet timer+ level super speed as well, seeing as how she managed to dodge a bullet that someone else caught in Witch Time (or whatever that guy's equivalent tech was) and moved to right in front of her own face while she seemed to be a statue.


To what degree does it slow down time? Cause Dante's QS slows down time by a factor of 1000 thus making him 4116km/s (Mach 12,000) and BTW bayo's reaction's are low super sonic, making her victim to a speed blitz by an opponent with superior speed

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To what degree does it slow down time? Cause Dante's QS slows down time by a factor of 1000 thus making him 4116km/s (Mach 12,000) and BTW bayo's reaction's are low super sonic, making her victim to a speed blitz by an opponent with superior speed
I'm gonna have to ask for feats on that one.

From what I saw, Bayonetta's fast enough that bullets (that are in real time anyways) are basically still to her and she's able to dodge an orbital laser after its been fired.

Also, I just finished Asura's Wrath, and Asura isn't FTL until he hits Destructor mode, and that should be well over 1800 times light speed considering the distance he flies and the attacks he reacts to. Anything below that is insanely quick, but not near light speed from what I remember.

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