well the thing is that the s.s. was in charge of an executive ordered systematic execution of a substantial portion of their own civilian population, while marine snipers are (presumably) hitting enemy combatants. its hardly a minor set of details to scoff at
Indeed. Attacking civilians vs. "military targets" is completely arbitrary. At the end of the day, both groups are simply "following orders".
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ok but these are all empty presumptions with no substance to back them up while i presented valid points of comparison. (that being the duties carried out by ww2 ss and todays marine snipers)
Those aren't valid points of comparison. They're arbitrary. In other news, Rob eats cocks.
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Though it pains me to admit it, I don't think the US government would have to nudge the Scout Snipers very hard to get them to start ethnically cleansing people.
Or at least not as hard as most would think. Snipers aren't really known for considering the ethical implications of orders.
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Well, you eating cocks was definitely not sarcasm, so there.
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there have indeed been command structure breakdowns leading to slaughtered civilians at the hands of jacked up testosterone-drunk sadists who happen to land in the position to make something like that happen, and enthusiastically prove themselves to be human garbage on camera for the world to see.
however, to point that out and compare it to a group of government sanctioned genocide overseers...well its kinda goofy on the grounds that they are both "people who kill people".
its a broad comparison with obvious inflammatory connotations. you could drop the nazi-bomb in a thread about cops, health insurers, court/jury, etc. on that point of comparison.
Thank you for stating that it is an empty assumption with no substance to back it up that US Military Snipers do not systematically kill lots of people with cold precision and there's NO legitimate comparison between them and the German SS from WWII. Without your clarification, I would not know how to think. I owe you one.
Maybe it's dodging if you pretend this conversation is about something else entirely...
But let's recap.
Your problem with his statement:
Your reasons:
And here's how your reasons were systematically destroyed:
Or do you think that government sponsored and directed killers that systematically execute people are common enough to make clothing comparisons? Do you see why your comparison with "boots" is silly whereas his comparison is fairly spot-on? Here the point is, again: they are both "government sponsored and directed killers that systematically execute/d people".
That's a very specific job and many states throughout history have had their own forms of SS. AKA, specially trained and trusted military forces that carry out sensitive missions that often entail covert and overt executions.
Pretending that anyone else is not like the SS, in that regard, is rather lame. The SS were not even original in their "objectives." They are just more recent and more memorable due to the atrocities associated with the 3rd Reich. Every modern military power has their "SS": unless you live under a rock.
In conclusion, you posted as the contrarian to troll, you were wrong, both Shaky and I called you on it, so you bought the Dodgers and you audaciously accused me of purchasing the Dodgers as you handed Frank McCourt the check. Don't you get enough of your trolling on Bardock's board? Why do it here?
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well, its remarkably weird because its usually the one who drops 'reductio ad hitlerum' into a topic thats accused of trolling. thats cool how you flipped it.
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Feb 11th, 2012 12:12 AM
masterfully dodged, sensei.
