Wait who on that list couldn't throw 100 punches in a second? No reason Flash or Zoom couldn't. No reason Superman couldn't. Hell no reason even WW couldn't, she's a decent fraction of lightspeed.
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He was probably referring to the likes of Luke Cage.
I don't remember much in the way of speed for him except some bullet timing.
Also, Kenshiro has a lot more than a hundred hits per second. He goes past that, and hits thousands of hits per second. Then weaker characters in part two of the series are able to punch ten-thousand times per second. You would probably get something hypersonic out of that.
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That's a gross misinterpretation of what is happening on panel.
Danny has several seconds to spot his attacker while on the phone.
He spotted the shooter literally during 3 panels before being shot and "the microsecond he needs to react" is nothing but some hyperbolic statement to show that Danny has fast reflexes.
The duration of the second isn't during one microsecond neither, or according to your logic , the bullets just need a microsecond to travel a few meters, or the people just needs the same duration to goes down on the floor...
Not, that's not the case.
Danny doesn't move at thousands of times the speed of sound like you are falsely and ludicrously trying to make us believe...
Danny has better reflexes than an untrained human being but he is far to be in the superhuman range when it comes to the speed...
You are making-up things like he is Quicksilver.
That gave me giggles.
Danny just aim-dodged the first time and used acrobatics to be hard to tag in the second page...
That's another hyperbolic statement...
If Danny was so fast he could have grabbed the knife or simply moved out of the way.
Maybe you will try to make us believe that the knife is faster than lightning then ?
Please try.
*sigh*
Danny is simply aim-dodging in both case, anticipating the path of the attacks and moving out of the way...
And the second time he is touched by the area of effect...
He slapped several flechettes...
Not only that's just aim-blocking but that's completely irrelevant to a combat situation against Kenshiro...
He has several seconds to act[/]...
Any street-leveler in the Marvel Universe can do the same but that's a good durability feat for his hand.
He craked the hull and that probably damaged the navigation system so the hellcarrier crashed...
This isn't bad but considering that the punches of young Raoh destroys buildings 300 meters away without trying and that Raoh was far more powerful during HNK... And Kenshiro was able to tank his attacks and keep fighting.
There is no durability feats of Zu Rhong besides being kicked by a giant building... The things that breaks on Kenshiro's chin at the very beginning of the anime...
The kind of stuff that a young Raoh destroys from 300 meters away with a casual punch through a guy...
That's not the Iron Fist which is compared to an H-bomb but this hyperbolic statement is here to show the devastation that Danny is feeling when he is looking at the results of all his fights in this place...
What now ?
You will pretend that Danny can erase a city with a punch ?
You totally skipped the part where Master Khan told to Danny that he will offer Yu-Ti so he can have his vengeance... Thus removing the Bands of Cyttorak when Danny accepted his request...
For the other part, Danny smashed the Dimensionnal Portal which created a rift in reality...
That's not Danny's punches which created a rift in reality, that's the destruction of the portal.
You are literally twisting the feats in every ways to give them more weight than they have.
Worse, you are completely misunderstanding the context.
That's clearly an hyperbolic statement for several reasons:
1) The radius of the explosion is very small and nothing is shown to be destroyed besides the train.
2) People a few hundred meters from the explosion are completely unharmed.
3) Nothing indicates that Danny was caught in the explosion... In fact as the electromagnetic energies propelled Danny through the hull of the train like a bullet, it's more than obvious that Danny have been trough the train and avoided to be caught in the explosion.
4) This only shows that the Iron Fist is more durable than the hull of the train.
Out-of-context again...
Everyone absorbs radiations... That's why people working on Chernobyl became radioactive and died of it...
Danny is an athlete and become a peak human when he is channeling his Chi, making him as durable as Captain America when it comes to shrugg off damages...
The Chi probably shielded him in a certain way against Master Khan's spells but...
That's totally irrelevant to a combat situation against Kenshiro.
Hulk's intelligence is very low and the "shiny hands" calmed him down...
In "Indestructible Hulk", the SHIELD shows him picture of puppies in order to calm him down so...
What's the relevancy of this ?
There is none.
Another feat that you are using completely out-of-context...
Danny used his Chi to heal Daredevil and not to attack the Demon at all...
The point is that by healing Daredevil, he allowed him to recover some force of will and fight the possession.
That's completely irrelevant to a combat situation.
Here is another stuff that you are completely missing the point.
Dasha Khan changed Danny's physical form into a Ghost form thanks to the Soul Gem so Danny wasn't killed in the first place.
Danny precised that he used his Chi to break the gap between the Dimension so it's very possible that he was put in the Astral Plane forced to remain in an Astral Form...
Nothing in what you said put Danny even close to the superhuman basic stats of Kenshiro not making use of his powers.
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Kenshiro would crush Iron Fist without trying on a single touch.
King Rao casually busted a giant coated with solid steel without touching him. This was less than 1/100th of his strength. Yet Kenshiro endured and matched his full might.
On average a 2000 ton punch is going to damage Herc and Savage Hulk. Otherwise beings like Thing or Colossus shouldn't make then flinch (since their strength is far under 2000 tons).
Microsecond is not hyperbolic. It is a time-frame that actually exists, and the narration is specific that he did all of this during this time-frame.
Danny did not aim-dodge anything. What happened was that he sensed danger, and then he reacted afterwards within a microsecond. Which the narration specifies in its very next words. That's where you get this speed. The time-frame, and the distance.
We do not see anyone else moving during this time-frame. It doesn't matter how fast the bullets are moving. What matters is how fast Danny is moving.
Which is thousands of times the speed of sound here.
Yes, that is in fact the case.
He does as I have proven several times.
Danny is explicitly superhuman when it comes to speed.
At this point Quicksliver can outrun radio waves which means that he is FTL. Daniel Rand isn't that fast.
What gave me giggles is how you tried to set up the Sentry as stronger than Molecule Man. When the latter was far weaker than normal, and the only evidence you had was outside of the story itself. Which contradicted everything in it.
Which all happened specifically in the time-frame of a microsecond. Which would make this ridiculously fast.
Yeah, sure. Why not? If this knife was thrown fast enough that it nearly pierced Danny's heart. In the same issue where Danny limbo dodges and does three back-flips in a microsecond?
That gives the guy threw that knife a great showing as well. It's not like this is strange either. We have people like Black Panther moving within microseconds too.
How about you prove that? As it's never stated that he did it those times by aim-dodging.
The point is that Danny dodges the actual bolt of lightning itself.
That's not aim-blocking either. How in the world can Danny aim-block several different flechettes at once? He even explicitly creates after-images when he does this.
The only way this works is if you try to argue that Danny has precognition, and knew specifically where they all would have went. Which he doesn't have.
No, Danny didn't. You see the gun go off, then Danny's surprised look, and then he reacts. That is the specific order in which the panels happen.
He crossed several feet before that bullets could even move a few inches, and caught it before it could hit Brenda.
You're literally making up numbers with no references for them, and if you seriously think a building is harder to break than a freaking helicarrier you're a lost cause.
Also, not only that you're using speculation that is not proven by anything when you say it fell because the navigation system was destroyed. That's another thing you are making up.
That would be the animated film you're thinking of, and the point of that was Danny was able to destroy something made out of fire. More importantly that he could overpower Zhu-Rong.
That's not impressive at all by Danny's standards.
Danny was hitting harder than nukes back before he got Orson Randall's chi and the Book of the Iron Fist.
Uh no? Danny specifically uses his Iron Fist in the very first scan there, and everything after that shows the devastation that it caused.
I don't need to pretend. I already showed you evidence that proves that he is in fact this powerful.
You're missing the part where Danny never accepted this offer or that Master Khan never broke the spell. Danny explicitly uses chi when he breaks out of them, and we see his hands glowing.
Danny never accepted this request. He was so angry that his uncle had a part in his parents death that he broke out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, and destroyed the dimensional portal. Which caused a rift in the fabric of reality.
Which requires Danny being actually capable of destroying the fabric of reality. As there is no other way for him to destroy a portal between several different points in space otherwise.
The fabric in reality was ripped apart specifically because it was Danny who punched that dimensional portal and disrupted it, and anything else would have simply went through it.
Nope, that would be you. You're the one undermining them by making up nonsense that doesn't actually happen in the stories themselves.
Nope, this is you once again. As see when you tried to say Danny accepted his offer when he specifically didn't.
This is because both Danny and the train are in the sky when this happen, and Danny launched himself towards it by manipulating electromagnetic energy.
There is nothing close enough to them to be destroyed to begin with.
Prove that these people are only a few hundred meters away. As both Danny and the train are in the sky when this happens.
What kind of mental gymnastics is this?
Prove this because what we see shows that the moment Danny punches the train it explodes. There is nothing suggesting that Danny went through it before it exploded. This is another thing you're making up.
Seriously, it's not noted by the narration or seen in the scans.
There is nothing implying your interpretation is correct.
Nope, as I already noted you're using speculation supported by nothing.
Danny does not go through the train before it explodes.
No, it is not. In fact the only part I left out was where it was noted that Radion was a nuke waiting to happen.
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That's my point? Danny absorbs far more radiation than they did, and he was fine afterwards.
Also, it's not the same. As noted in the very same instance where he absorbs Master Khan's spells, and Radion is brought up again by the context as comparison for what was happening then.
Only if you ignore everything that Danny has done, and rely entirely on databooks which are notoriously wrong. Also, it's against the rules to even use them here. So, there's that too.
More speculation that contradicts what is actually stated to happen in that very scan. He absorbs it just as he did Radion's attacks.
No, it isn't. Kenshiro relies on touki. Which is a mystical life energy. Which Danny can absorb pretty easily if need be.
Danny's chi was specifically making the Hulk feel unusual for no reason, and he transformed back. This before Danny learned the hypnotic fist style.
Kenshiro has only one showing against hypnosis, and it's of the normal variety not the "powered by mystical chi" variety.
The damage in question wasn't physical. Danny healed Matt's soul, and gave him the strength he needed to fight against a demon powerful enough to defeat Ghost Rider.
The point I was making was that Danny could heal Matt's soul, and give it the strength it needed to fight back against a powerful demon.
No, it isn't.
It shows that Danny's chi can work against intangibles. Which means Musou Tensei is not saving Kenshiro here.
It's basically the same thing? He was turned into a ghost, and he came back from the afterlife. Which means he can do the same thing if he actually dies unless you get rid of his spirit.
How is that hard to comprehend?
Besides that, it shows that he can transform back from it. Which means he can probably bring himself to life too.
That on top of the fact Danny can probably give Kenshiro a physical form with his chi if the latter uses Musou Tensei.
When it was the soul gem that was being used? Are you serious? It's obviously his spirit in the case, and he is referring to this as the afterlife. It's not referred to as the astral plane at any point.
It's noted that he gave his spirit substance with his chi too. As he is kicking ass? You should read the rest of the scans.
No, it's actually the opposite. Kenshiro is outclassed here.
So now you're using databooks?
Okay then, it's your funeral.
Translated from the 1986 magazine Hokuto no Ken Special: All About the Man.
Leg Speed = Can move 100m in 9 seconds in steps
Fist Speed = Throws 50 punches in three seconds while performing the Hundred Crack Fist
How about that? A databook portraying a character as far weaker than they actually are. Who would have thought.
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That's not "all that he did" during that time frame...
The writers want to indicates that he perceveid an attack coming and had the reflex to aim-dodge very fast.
He didn't do all of those actions during one microsecond... My God you really should ask someone with actual reading skills to read it for you.
By your logic the soldier does the two shots in this timeframe too so the bullets travel easily 10 meters twice in a microseconds...
That would make the bullets of the AK-47 traveling at:
(10 / 0.000001) * 2 = 20 000 000 m/s = 72000000 km/h
That would make the bullets moving at 72 000 000 km/h so what is your explanation this time ?
The shooter was using a magical AK-47 or it's your reasoning which is completely silly ?
Did the shooter shoot two times at Danny in the span of a microsecond too, according to your logic ?
Did the two people crouching in the second panel crounched in a microsecond too so everybody has superspeed in the Marvel Universe ?
Do you see now your lack of logic and your double standard ????
So there is only one logical explanation:
Danny spotted the shooter and aim-dodged the bullets the first time and used his acrobatics the second to be harder to tag.
The "microsecond" he needed to react is just some colorful way to say that he reacted fast and not to be taken literally.
Stop making up things.
We clearly see the image of the shooter several seconds before he attemps to shoot down Danny in his retina.
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Two people crounched during the two burst of the machine-gun fire which ACCORDING TO YOU happened in the span of a microsecond, so ACCORDING TO YOU they crounched during the timespan of the half of a microsecond...
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So does the shooter and those people have superspeed too ?
No, they haven't.
The only logical explanation is that it's a classical shooting scene and Danny aim-dodged the first time and used acrobatics to be harder to shoot in the second panel which both happened at normal speed.
You are literally twisting irrelevant feats to make Danny appear better than he is.
That's ludicrous.
Which is Sharivan not understanding what he is reading.
Nothing is what you claimed to be.
At this point you are literally skipping my comments so we can't see the silliness of your claims.
That's fine because I just proved that you have zero reading skills and that your claims are asinine.
You don't even have the correction to face my claims in your own answers...
*sigh*
Danny doesn't move at thousand of times the speed of sound.
Which is the case, confirmed by the creator of the character and confirmed by Bendis whom wrote the story.
Wrong.
I showed that Molecule Man had no negative beliefs on his abilities during that story which means that he was at full power.
Tom Brevoort, whom edited the story, confirmed that Molecule Man was at his regular power-level which means not weakened or depowered.
Nice try bub, come back when you have something substantial instead of fan-made conclusion about everything.
Which would make EVERYTHING ridiculously fast, which didn't happened in the time-frame of a microsecond so it doesn't matter at all.
Oh my god...
Everything you are trying to bring to the table is completely asinine and made-up...
Fact is:
Danny is too slow to grab or avoid a knife throwed from a few meters of him.
No.
Your interpretation of the story is just complete bullshit because you don't understand what you are reading.
It's shown on panel that he is aim-dodging.
He saw the shooter coming at him.
Aim-dodging.
Danny got rekt by the AOE.
*sigh*
All flechettes follow the same pattern...
Danny just have to put his hands in the path.
That's clearly an aim-blocking feat.
No.
That's aim-blocking.
When you are actually "trying" to respond to my claim please have AT LEAST the correction to post the quotes you are responding too.
Not only your obvious illiteracy burns my eyes but as a bonus you make the topic extremely not convenient to answer to.
I keep my claims the way they are and you should take reading lessons, at this point it became an emergency.
Danny didn't break the Hellcarrier, he damaged the hull which caused navigation problems with lead the hellcarrier to sunk.
Anyway he isn't even close to hit as hard as Kenshiro or Raoh.
The Hellcarrier had MINOR damages.
It's clearly shown on panel that he is sinking even he isn't that damaged so the only explanation is that his electronics are damaged so he can't fly anymore.
I didn't see the film so no...
And Zhu-Rong is a building-sized giant engulfed in flames.
When he is dead you can see his giant cadaver on the ground and Danny coming out from his inside but I guess that you didn't read the story and took your "feats" from a respect thread which explains why you don't understand anything of all the bullshit you are making-up.
Do you mean that "-snip-" isn't impressive at all by Danny's standards ?
I would like to see the quotes you are responding to because skiping them is a so convenient way to make your claims impossible to answer to...
Oh wait... You don't even understand the context of your own asinine claims so why bothering and make an actual answer, right ?
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Do you mean that "-snip-" isn't impressive at all by Danny's standards ?
I would like to see the quotes you are responding to because skiping them is a so convenient way to make your claims impossible to answer to...
Oh wait... You don't even understand the context of your own asinine claims so why bothering and make an actual answer, right ?
No.
Danny don't have the capacity to make more damages than a nuke with his punches.
Take off your fanboy glasses for one second.
That's how silly your claims have become now.
Hyperbolic statement and that's not what you said.
I would like to read the actual quote you are responding at instead of "-snip-".
*sigh*
Master Khan restrained Danny until he accepted the deal to go against Yu-Ti instead of him...
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There you have the proper context.
Master Khan had no need to restrain Danny anymore because Danny directly goes against Yu-Ti after that.
I just proved the opposite.
MK and Danny came to an agreement thus making the Crimson Bands useless to maintain for MK.
I'm glad that we agree that Danny destroyed a portal.
It's good that you concede that's the destruction of the portal which created a rift in reality and not Danny's punches.
Wrong.
Which requires Danny being able to destroy the Dimensionnal Gate.
More made-up crap please.
A bomb could have destroyed the portal and obtain the same effect.
Danny isn't responsible of the rift in reality.
*sigh*
At that point I'm just begging you to take reading lessons.
Yeah sure.
We saw that all along with "derp derp Danny moves thousands of times the speed of sound and derp derp Danny's punches can destroy the fabric of reality" regardless to the context.
I'm not responding to that again.
*sigh*
You are making-up complete bullshit once again...
Danny and his teamates were all at the same distance from the train AKA a few hundred meters away.
Danny himself states that it was great to fight alongside them...
Here you can see that they ALL are very close of the train:
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So Danny and the train weren't in the sky at all, the explosion of the train isn't even close to be as powerful as Hiroshima and Danny wasn't caught in the explosion because he gone through the train like a bullet...
I easily proved you wrong once again.
Already done.
What kind of dissimulated quote is this ? "-snip-"
At this point I'm just reading the comic books for you.
Why don't you ask another adult to read it for you and give you explanation ?
It tires me at this point...
I mean I'm not even payed to teach you how to read a comics...
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Why bothering giving more answers when:
1) My quotes aren't visible.
2) You are illiterate.
3) I'm wasting my time because even with the full context you don't understand what you are reading and you will spit your trash in every thread.
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I already explained all of that.
Radion produces radiations which poison living organism.
He never "exploded like a nuke" in the story.
He was so fine...
First fight before he find a way to heal:
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Second fight before the end:
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In both case he was badly hurt and could have died both times.
He isn't close to die against Master Khan.
He is against Radion.
The Databooks are correct.
That's your interpretations that are incorrect.
It's not against the rules when it support what is actually happening on panel which is the case in here.
I'm factual.
You are the one speculating AKA all of your silly claims since the beginning of that thread.
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Danny can't absorb Ki-blast.
Proof on panel:
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He lies on the ground after a weak Ki-blast...
The weakest Ki-blast of a young Raoh destroys entire buildings...
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I would like that you show us how Danny is susceptible to survive to that when one of the weakest of Raoh's punch is actually light years beyond anything that Davos has done...
Oh wait he can't and a Goshoha will erase Danny from existence...
*sigh*
The reason is explained on panel.
The Hulk found the hands of Danny "shiny" and that calmed him down.
At this point, everybody could have used anything that Hulk could have find "shiny" to calm him down.
But hey let's make it like "derp derp Danny Rand uses hybnodigz magigz handz and force Hulgz transformation"... That's complete bullshit.
Same shit here:
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Thanks Captain Obvious.
There is no correlation between both.
Danny didn't use a technique, he was just lucky that Hulk was calmed down isntead of smashing him to pulp.
He has two showings against it currently...
Moreover Danny never used it in combat...
He used it against a random fatso...
Kenshiro can copy and counter techniques, fight with his eyes closed, etc...
Once more you are trying to sell one of your irrelevancies.
Oh my God... You are reaching...
Daredevil regained some willpower allowing him to fight the possesion again.
End of story.
Yep.
You are trying to hard, really.
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The stupidity of that claim is beyond belief...
1) Danny hit Daredevil possessed by a Demon so he hit a physical body, the one's of Daredevil.
2) The attack didn't harm the Demon and as Danny understood that he couldn't reach the Demon's soul by attacking with the Iron Fist he decided to try to heal Daredevil instead.
3) Kenshiro's Muso Tensei doesn't "make him intangible like a Ghost"... It makes him "one with nothingness" so no attacks can reach him...
Kenshiro has been through Raoh's Goshoha (Ki-blast) and Raoh's punches amped by his own Ki.
Danny can't touch Kenshiro in Muso Tensei...
Stop twisting everything to favor your favorite character omfg...
The only way any character in this thread to touch Kenshiro using the Muso Tensei would be to be capable to use Muso Tensei themselves which will not happen.
4) Your bullshiting meter is over 9000. I've never seen anyone saying so much crap about Iron Fist or Kenshiro on the internet.
At this point you should really think about taking reading lessons, seriously.
5) Nothing is saving Danny here. The most probable outcome is Kenshiro taking a nap between two of Danny's attacks, casually touching his forehead and making him "asplode".
No.
It's not the same thing.
So when Dr Strange or Charles Xavier uses their Astral Form they are dead ACCORDING TO YOU...
Yeah.
Everything is too hard for you to comprehend.
Yeah complete bullshit once again.
Show me where it is stated that Iron Fist is immortal...
Oh wait he isn't !
That's complete crap once again.
Read the points 1 to 5 I explained above.
The purpose of the Muso Tensei is to avoid being touch by everything.
Danny will not have a free pass about it.
Rofl.
Kenshiro literally gone through Raoh's Ki-Aura in Muso Tensei...
If you have read the story instead of picking your scans out-of-context from respect threads you should know.
You should learn to read and then read the comics.
Yeah sure.
Kenshiro eat weaklings like Danny for breakfast.
Databooks are official sources of information coming directly from Marvel.
I'm feeling well but thanks.
I own all of HNK's databooks but thanks.
What the travel speed has to do with anything in that thread ?
That's completely irrelevant.
That's his fist speed in the case of one particular technique ?
Is that supposed to prove anything ?
The fun part is that Danny Rand is incapable to do anything on that order...
Kenshiro's attack speed is light years beyond anything Danny has shown and I'm not even showing the fights against Rei, Souther, Alf, Han or Hyoh...
You only show a part of the databook and the information here is about Kenshiro's BASIC PHYSICAL STATS without using techniques to amp himself like the Tenryu Kyokuho...
On the other ALL of the databooks in Marvel shows that Iron Fist summoning his Chi is peak human wihch is far below the scope of what Kenshiro has shown.
Danny's combat speed:
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Kenshiro's combat speed:
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Kenshiro curbstomps Iron Fist so hard that's not even funny but keep being delusional.
Jesus freaking Christ could you be even more long winded? I am going to six freaking posts or something to reply to all of that keyboard vomit.
In light of that I will just address the obvious first.
In Iron Fist v3 #1 that couple wasn't' moving. They were lying still holding each other. We clearly don't see them do anything else.
In Iron Fist v1 #7 Master Khan never dispelled the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak. After Danny asks Yu-Ti if his accusations are true he breaks out of them. He was still restrained as he was talking to Yu-Ti from the portal, and we clearly see his hands glowing when he breaks out. I already posted the scans.
Radio was going to wipe out London. That was clear in storyline, and he was blowing shit with powers before then. It's not just poisoning people. Once again I already posted the scans for that when he blasts Danny several times.
My snippet from that data entry reveals that Kenshiro is barely more than peak human, and even then not by that much only by a slight margin in the case of punching speed. Yet, you say it doesn't count showcasing a double standard in regards to adherence to databooks.
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You just need one sentence to reply to this by apologizing yourself for being so wrong about Iron Fist and Kenshiro.
They were standing at first or maybe you are implying that they are moving themselves while being crounched ?
They had to crounch to avoid the burst of the machine-gun which they did while Danny was doing his limbo or doing his acrobatics.
Your initial claim was that Danny did the limbo AND the acrobatics in the time-span of one microsecond.
Quoting yourself again:
So because according to you everything happened in a microsecond, that means that you believe that:
1) According to you the shooter, shot Iron Fist two times in the time-frame of a microsecond... Which is impossible because the rate of fire of an AK-47 is far slower than that and a human-being can't do something that fast on a moving target.
2) According to you the couple crounched themselves in the time-span of a microsecond for the same reasons.
I mean at that point you are clearly showing double standards and bias along fanboyish theories to make Iron Fist appear far better than he is.
Fortunately nobody with at least average reading skills can't fall into that trap...
Let's look the next page:
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Yeah that's totally thousands of time the speed of sound mate...
Marvel is full of speedster...
Oh wait ! This is a normal guy next to Danny and Iron Fist has to run away from the shooter !
Danny doesn't move even close to the speed of sound at all...
Keep your fanboy glasses at home, mate.
Nope.
You interpretated the scans the way you wanted them to appear.
What happened is:
1) Danny shrugged off two offensive spells.
2) Master Khan used the Crimson Band Od Cyttorak which captured Danny, letting him powerless.
3) Master Kahn talked to Danny and explained to him that Yu-Ti is his ennemy too as he was involved in the tragic death of his parents.
4)Danny showed his interest in that story and asked Yu-Ti about it showing his will to akcnowledge to Master Kahn deal.
5) The Crimson Bands being not needed anymore, Master Kahn dispelled them.
Let me show you the difference:
Crimson Bands of Cyttorak intentionally dispelled by the spellcaster:
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Crimson Bands of Cyttorak intentionally broken by the target of the spell:
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I mean even the art is crystal clear...
The blasts in the first fight against Radion were directed at the building.
In the second fight he absorbs radiation when he is in hand-to-hand with Radion.
Just keep ignoring more context bro.
It looks good from here.
Yeah sure.
Let's look at a part of Kenshiro's physical stats again:
Grip = Unmeasurable
Arm Strength = Unmeasurable
Walking Ability = Unmeasurable
Strength of His Back = Unmeasurable
Muscle Strength = Can repel the bullet of a small caliber gun when its strained
Leg Speed = Can move 100m in 9 seconds in steps
Fist Speed = Throws 50 punches in three seconds while performing the Hundred Crack Fist
Jump Strength = 9m a step
Punching Strength = Can split a rock that has 5m of thickness
Kick Strength = Can send a 200kg man flying 25m into the air
Diving Time = 53 minutes
Resistance to Poison = Can endure five times the dose of Potassium Cyanide required to kill an ordinary man
Fasting Resistance = Body can remain strong for three months without eating
Sleep Resistance = Can spend an entire week without sleeping
Kenshiro, without amping his physical stats, can jump at 9 m high and destroy a rock of 5 m of thickness without trying... His physical strength is in the same range of the likes of Hulk and Thor as it is incalculable... Hell, we even see him moving a 300 tons rock without breaking a sweat. He can repel 9 mm bullets just by straining his muscles too.
Now to prove your sayings you have to:
A) Post a feat of Danny or any peak human in the MU (like Captain America for example) jumping at 9 m high.
B) Destroying a rock of 5 m of thickness without using the Iron Fist.
C) Hitting at least 50 times per 3 seconds...
D) Moving several tons of rocks or whatever you want.
E) Repelling 9 mm bullets just by the sheer strength of his muscles.
Good luck with that as none of those feats exists.
Rofl.
I'm waiting for it.
That's always a good laugh.
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I am not apologizing for something I am not wrong about.
You're the one who needs to stop using double standards and accept that the databooks are wrong about Iron Fist.
You need to realize that Kenshiro is not clearing this gauntlet. That he is not a threat to the likes of Daniel Rand let alone the Hulk or Hercules.
No, I am referring to the fact Daniel Rand only starts moving this fast after they have already crouched and are hiding from the gunfire.
No, they didn't. They were already crouched. As you yourself saw they weren't moving then.
Yes, and we clearly do not see them move when Daniel Rand was doing the limbo dodge. Yet you're saying they weren't crouching, and moved within this timeframe.
When Daniel Rand moves this fast they're not moving.
This is fiction, and that is nothing strange within the context of it. We do not know precisely the specifics of the shooter's weapon but going from this it's far more impressive than normal.
Prove that it was an AK-47 when all we know was that it was an assault rifle, and one we have no information on. As far as we know it could be some customized nonsense, and considering it can fire this fast it probably is.
There is a reason this guy missed with every shot.
Nope, you're the one claiming this.
Now prove it.
You mean like how some people are trying to say Kenshiro can beat everyone here at once, and with laughable ease?
No, you do not get to say I am using double standards and are acting like a fanboy.
What reading skills? Half the stuff you brought up is made up. Danny refused Master Khan's offer, and broke out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak by using his chi.
It doesn't make sense that Master Khan would actually break the spell. What he wanted was for Danny to go to Kun-Lun, and for the Dragon Kings to rip out Shao-Lao's chi. In the Return to Kun-Lun storyline this is made clear.
That's because Danny stopped moving that fast, and slowed down. I mentioned this was short range speed not long range speed.
The narration is not clear that Daniel Rand is still moving as fast as he did earlier. Going by what we see there he clearly slows down. Possibly because maintaining that speed takes a lot of him.
Neither does Kenshiro if you want to play the databook game. I specifically provided the scene with flechettes which explicitly shows Danny creating after images, and deflecting dozens of flechettes. That's hypersonic at bare minimum.
As well as stopping the bullet mentioned for Brenda after the casing went flying into the air, and he got that shocked look in his eyes as he intercepted it.
Plus, there's that time Danny moved so fast a bullet couldn't leave the barrel of a gun before he already acted.
That would be you. As you are adding context into these scans that is not there. Danny never accepts Master Khan's offer. Master Khan wasn't actually trying to help Danny.
He even outright mentions absorption, and refers to the fact he did the same with Radion.
It did not as we see an enraged Danny break out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak with his chi. After Yu-Ti's guilt becomes apparent.
This was a ruse to trick Danny into going into Kun-Lun. As the Dragon Kings were loyal to Master Khan. Master Khan did nothing. Nor did he do any fancy gestures with his hands when Danny broke out.
Nope, Danny refused to believe him at first and it's only when Yu-Ti failed to answer his question did he break out in a rage. He didn't vocally agree to anything, and Master Khan didn't move to release him.
Show me where Master Khan does anything to suggest he was responsible for that. When it was Daniel Rand's chi that let him break out of it.
No, it really doesn't. They both disappear after they're destroyed, and the art style for the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak is notoriously inconsistent.
The only difference is that Daniel Rand did it with more ease with his chi. Mostly likely due to the fact his chi has a strong affinity for magic.
This never specifies that this is what Kenshiro is capable of without his touki. Besides that, unmeasurable is not quantifiable and means nothing.
No, it does not make Kenshiro as strong as the Hulk or Thor. Show me Kenshiro lifting a mountain weighing billions tons. Show me Kenshiro cracking nearby moons with the shockwaves of his attacks.
This once again proves my point. As in the same article it says Kenshiro is barely superhuman in speed. It says his strength is limitless. Which besides being a no limit fallacy means nothing unless you wank it to all hell.
I already provided them, and have just given you even more.
I will see if I can have everything by tomorrow since I have to do them across different posts because of how long winded you were. If I even waste any more time with you when it's clear you're not up for being reasoned with.
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Yeah ok.
Let's see how it comes with your usual handwaving, cognitive bias and misunderstanding of what you are reading.
I don't have double standards.
The databook about Kenshiro shows that Ken strength is not measurable and precise when a technique is used.
We saw Kenshiro lift a giant 300 tons boulder without using the Tenryu Kyokuho and the book precise his fist speed in the case of the technique of the Hyakuretsuken.
The durability of Kenshiro greatly increase when he is using the Tenryukyokuho and even more when he is shielding himself with his Toki...
Proof on panel, he is capable to shrugg off completely Raoh and Kaioh most powerful hits and Ki-blast, things that would reduce Danny to ashes.
That's understanding the context which is a thing that you are incapable to do.
The databook about Iron Fist precise that Iron is only capable to reach Peak Human stats when he is summoning his Chi, which obviously put him largely light years below Kenshiro basic physical stats.
You need to realize that I totally don't care about your biased opinion as you proved that you can twist everything that you are reading to make the characters that you like looking better than they are.
That's the other way around.
*sigh*
Now you are changing your claim but don't worry.
Both of your claims are false as I already explained.
You are changing your claim again.
Same shit than above.
They obviously moved within seconds, like Danny Rand, when he limbo dodged OR when he did the acrobatics.
You are the one whom claimed that everything happened under a microsecond...
Rofl.
You are trying too hard.
I will repeat myself once more...
If something happen within a certain time-frame like you are claiming, everything inside that time-frame happens at the same time...
So you have to acknowledge that OR everybody is superfast OR you are Super-Wrong.
The good answer is that you are Super-Wrong.
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Nice joke mate !
This is fiction and it doesn't mean that the writer wrote something completely random.
Here we have a typical cinematic action scene with the hero avoiding bullets...
Unfortunately certain readers (you) are completely missing the context.
So no, everything didn't happen under a microsecond.
I already explained that shit to you in detail in my other posts that you didn't read.
Handwaving make you looks bad.
I'm not speculating like you did.
It can be an AK-47 or an M16, it doesn't matter as you are trying to mislead the audience here...
What matters is that the bullets didn't moved the 10 meters within the timespan of a microsecond like you are claiming.
You are the one whom claimed that everything happened under a microsecond.
As far as I know all of those characters are acting in the same timespan so that's your claim mate.
Rofl.
Nobody here can keep-up with Kenshiro combat skills and speed.
None of them can counter the Muso Tensei as they doesn't have the Muso Tensei themselves.
None of them knows how to counter Kenshiro's pressure-point techniques, even Danny whom is limited to nerves strikes and other mundane pressure-point techniques.
In short, they can't touch him, Ken touches their pressure-points with ease and they all dies in a pool of blood.
Rofl.
You are the one claiming that Danny Rand moves at thousand of times the speed of sound and that he can survive a Nuclear Strike.
That's laughable at best and now you are trying to make me pass for a fanboy.
Poisoning the well is a so common tactic for debaters at your level.
I have cramps because I am laughing too hard.
Seriously you should ask someone to read you the story.
1) He accepted that Master Khan could be right when he began to ask questions to Yu-Ti concerning his parents thus making the use of the Crimson Band useless thus giving no reason to Master Khan to continue to ensare him...
2) The Crimson Band of Cyttorak were dispelled by MK because that's what is happening on panel... They became volatile and disappeared and Danny didn't make any effort... Holy shit that's so crystal clear, I don't get how you can miss that.
When Hulk broke the Crimson Bands they remained solid and "in pieces" which insn't the case for Danny as they dissipated like a magical fog.
Master Khan was trying to convince Danny that he was right instead of killing him when Danny subdued.
That completely make sense but you prefer to find a new way to twist the story.
*sigh*
More fan-made explanations please.
Wrong. Already explained at least 3 times in that thread.
It's not clear for you because you don't understand what you are reading.
Wrong. Already explained at least 3 times in that thread.
I've never gave a measurement of Kenshiro's speed, instead I posted a feat for Danny fighting someone and the same for Kenshiro.
This feat shows Kenshiro's combat speed faster than anyone in that thread by light years.
That's aim-blocking.
It's completely irrelevant to that thread and even more to a possible combat situation.
Putting your hands in the path of someone hitting you is possible when you know where he is shooting.
That's hypersonic based on what ?
Danny is moving his hands a few centimeters next to him to block a few flechetters.
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You are missing the point once more.
Danny is faster than the shooter, not than the bullet.
Moreover Luke Cage distracted the shooter before he shot Danny, giving him the time to move out of way (aim dodging) the bullet...
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You are repetitive. This was already adressed.
Already adressed those points too.
Yeah to normal human but Danny's resistance his better thanks to summoning his Chi, which doesn't matter anyway as I already proved that he can't do anything to Kenshiro's Ki-blast.
Bis repetita.
I've said that he is in the same class AKA the class 100, not that he has similar feats.
One more misunderstanding coming from you...
It's about Kenshiro's ability to run, not his combat speed.
You are trying too hard. Take a nap.
Nope.
It's an official information, which is backed-up in the story as we never saw Kenshiro's limits in term of strength as he wasn't even trying lifting a 300 tons rock so his limits remains unknow.
Rofl.
You prove once more that you don't understand what you are reading.
He had two complete panels to spot the Dragon's Breath AKA several seconds and even then he jumped just like 2 or 3 meters at max next to him..
Nothing impressive at street-level...
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And the feat of reaching his head is just ridiculous as the Dragon attacked Danny's feets and then Danny put weigth on Dragon's head to land on his neck...
He barely jumped two meters high if I'm highballing, that's not even close to Kenshiro whom can jump 9 m high without amping himself.
A red herring is showing completely irrelevant scans about Danny Rand isntead of combat feats that would prove him at least able to touch Kenshiro.
Instead you are posting feats about Danny avoiding projectiles and other bullshit which doesn't matter at all.
There is the definition of a Red Herring which fits perfectly what you are trying, unsuccefully, to do:
"A red herring, besides being a type of pickled fish, is a fallacious argument style in which an irrelevant or false topic is presented in an attempt to divert attention from the original issue, with the intention of "winning" an argument by leading attention away from the original argument and on to another, often unrelated topic.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because changing the topic of discussion does not count as an argument against a claim"
Irrelevant.
Moving on.
I asked you for feats of Danny that could put him at least on par with Kenshiro's base stats in fist speed.
You are trying to divert the discussion on another topic because there is not feats on that order for Iron Fist.
You have no feats on that order because Danny has never reached this kind of combat speed.
Rofl.
Let's calculate shall we ?
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Peter's web tensile strength is only 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section.
Which means that the pressure of the rock on Kenshiro is 2694134 / 8 = 336766 times stronger than the one endured by Iron Fist...
Yeah that's totally comparable mate. ROFL...
Let's compare the destructive power of this "out-of-solar-energy" Roberto Dacosta (Solar is dark when fully charged in enery) to the power of a casual punch of a young and far weaker than in the end of the series Raoh...
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Your post is even worse than the previous one.
You are trying to hard to maje Iron Fist pass for what he isn't.
I perfectly know Iron Fist and Kenshiro and you obviously don't.
Just accept that Iron Fist is smoked instantly and effortlessly and move on.
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The feat about Danny jumping hasn't charged so I will post it here:
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Wow !
And the feat of reaching his head is just ridiculous as the Dragon attacked Danny's feets and then Danny put weigth on Dragon's head to land on his neck...
He barely jumped two meters high if I'm highballing, that's not even close to Kenshiro whom can jump 9 m high without amping himself.
That was before I saw the back and forth about Iron Fist.
Now I'm torn. Hard to vote against The Fist...
Did you read the Living Weapon series? A lot of impressive feats in that series. Walking away from getting blasted between K'un L'un and Earth's dimensional barrier without a scratch alone.. Came in like a missile, and got up like nothing happened.
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