I've read the last few pages, and didn't see anything from the Living Weapon mini. Looks like mostly Claremont era and Brubaker/Fraction scans.
The feat I'm talking about, is when Prince of Orphans opens up with a full blown Kamehameha wave. Launches him from K'un K'un into the sky, and back down into the ice and snow Earthside. More or less fell like Wolverine did in AvsX, but the fact he doesn't have a healing factor or adamantium bones makes it a nice feat..
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Do you even know what reflex means? It means actually moving not processing something. It means having to actually react to something within a certain timeframe.
Yes, he sensed the attack but he also reacted within a microsecond. He doesn't have precognition. This is the only way he is going to be able to detect the guy otherwise.
As I said before it's Daniel Rand who is moving within this timeframe. It's not the civilians but maybe it's the shooter. The gun might be something special but we have no idea what it is or what modifications have been done to it.
Also, you're making up a distance for the bullets again. With no reference for said distance. We don't see clearly how quickly they move. They have already hit their targets when Daniel Rand was moving. The civilians are lying still, and there's nothing to measure for them.
You have yet to prove it was an AK-47, and it's either that or it wasn't actually moving that fast. As we see them hit their targets already after Danny has dodged them making them near impossible to calculate. As we do not see how fast they move in this time-frame.
It was either that or the spread came all at once. As the bullets already hit their targets as Danny is moving we can't tell how fast they are exactly. Since we do not see them move within this timeframe either.
They didn't crouch then. They crouched after the shooter started firing. Which was after Danny sensed him, and some time after that he started moving.
No, but I do see that you have a poor comprehension of how nonsensical comic books can be in regard to this.
He wasn't even looking at the shooter when he did his "acrobatics." He just saw him during the initial shots.
That's the same as saying 0.03 seconds is a colorful way of saying something. It is a specific time-frame. It's not anything along the lines of "he moved as the wind does" or he "was swift as a rabbit."
Danny was able to charge his Iron Fist in that time, and then use it at 0.05 seconds.
I posted that very scan, and that's precisely why I say he sensed the shooter before this happened. You're disagreeing with me when I said the same thing you are here.
You do know that "sense" includes things like sight?
Nope, that would be Daniel Rand as the civilians are not moving as he does in this time-frame. We don't see them do anything except huddle together. We do not even know what position these civilians were in before this. You're assuming they moved in the same microsecond Danny did. When we don't see them do anything.
No, the civilians don't but I would wager the shooter does. As he is actually doing something during this period of time. His gun is probably not normal either. As it could fire this quickly.
That would be defiant of Occam's Razor, and ignoring the fact they gave a specific time-frame for this. You're thinking about it too much. You're saying the civilians are moving when they haven't. You're assuming that the shooter is using a normal assault rifle.
They're not irrelevant, and they're nowhere near as bad as you trying to say Kenshiro has a snowball's chance in hell against Ares or Hercules. Heck, the Thing would be problematic.
Only if you ignore what the narration is saying, say the civilians are moving when they're not, and that the shooter is using an AK-47 when he clearly isn't.
That would be because there is a ten-thousand character limit, and I had no choice but to cut out what you said. I figured you would be smart enough to realize what I was replying to.
As I already proved several time he does. Well, unless we take your false claims at face value. In which case, sure.
Yet supported by positively nothing else in the story. Where we see that Molecule Man wanted to be found, and that he wanted to lose. That his abilities couldn't stretch beyond a single town. Heck, not even beyond 44 people.
Which ignores everything that happens there, and in previous stories.
Yeah, no.
You were already proven wrong on this point in the last thread we have about this. I didn't even need to correct you. Someone else beat me to it.
Tom Brevoort who is one of the worst things to happen to comic books in the past decade, and whose knowledge about both Molecule Man and the Sentry is laughable.
You mean like yours which is not supported by anything in the story? Which is only supported by Tom Brevoort the fedora wearing hipster bastard?
The civilians weren't moving. It was only Danny, and the shooter. Nobody else factors into it at that precise instance. Which did happen in a microsecond as clarified by the narration itself.
Wrong.
Danny caught it precisely before it could pierce his heart, and it's noted that his superhuman reflexes are what saved him there. Just by a hair's breath he reached out and grabbed it before it could budge an inch closer.
This coming from the person who is happy to rely on statements and data-books outside of stories instead of what happens in the stories themselves?
How does that mean it's aim-dodging? That just means he detected the shooter, and that he was aware that he was being attacked.
It doesn't change the fact he reacted within a microsecond in order to avoid that gunfire.
Just for example Luther Strode can see an attacker, and their bullets coming at him but it doesn't change the fact when he does so.
Barely, and throughout that entire fight he wasn't focused with his mind being elsewhere. Despite that he still manages to dodge a bolt of lightning.
No, they don't. Danny clearly moves his hands and upper body all over the place in order to get them all.
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How is that aim-dodging?
No, it isn't.
There is no way he could have known beforehand where those flechettes would have gone without being able to see them in flight and react to them afterwards. There are numerous different flechettes being fired at him in different directions.
How can I when we're breaking the ten-thousand character limit? It's your own fault for being long winded. I would have to address each of your posts in different posts, and I don't want to do that.
As I already noted this is your fault. As you're being so long winded that we're breaking the character limit on posts. This forces me to cut out of parts of yours in order to respond.
I am not the one who doesn't know what reflex means, and who is adding things that are not there. That would be you.
Prove this.
Yet another thing you need to prove as they don't hit as hard as nuclear armaments. Whereas Danny does.
Minor damages? The entire ship went down. If that's your definition of minor you need to revise it.
The fact is Danny was able to snuff out the power of the God of Fire, and overpower his flames. Which are definitely not of the normal variety to begin with. Which might have something to do with Danny's absorption or maybe not. Hard to say there.
As I said before I did because there was no room for both my words and yours in the post. The character limit didn't let me do it, and I didn't want to double post.
Not my fault you're long winded, and you're forcing me to double post now. Before I didn't bother but now I will since apparently you can't tell by the order of each point you made.
No, I do as already clarified. I have pretty much every Iron Fist appearance on my laptop, and it's only a matter of reading through them.
Once again refer back to the order of your own posts. As I am not digging through that again. The character limit restricted me.
I have a feeling that I already replied to this in my previous posts.
Yes, Danny specifically does. He also broke Radion's containment armor. Which was meant to contain his power to begin with. Besides it being compared to a hydrogen bomb it has also done things such as destroying an inter-dimensional portal causing a tear in the fabric of reality. Which was also compared to a baby nuke.
Yes, it is? I specifically brought that up unless you mixed up the scans there and looked at the wrong ones.
Then you should have been more concise. I had no choice it was either that or I cut out my own points. Which would have been weird since I would just been quoting you.
As I already noted Danny refused Master Khan's offer, broke out, and attacked the portal causing a rift in the fabric of reality.
It's clear that Danny doesn't want to go back, and his pride as a warrior of Kun-Lun wouldn't let him as noted by his internal monologue.
The only thing we see Master Khan do is create the portal. Which he isn't able to save from Danny. As the latter smashes it causing a tear in the fabric of reality.
He had every reason to. He wasn't being nice here. The dragon kings of Kun-Lun are subservient to him.
Shao-Lao was his familiar. What Master Khan wanted was Danny's chi.
He could have served Danny up to the Dragon Kings, and got the chi back but he didn't. Which means that he had to rely on underhanded methods to get it back.
I just proved it was never Danny's intention to accept, and the whole scene was Master Khan trying to convince to accept the offer.
On top of adding in the context that Master Khan never intended for this begin with. He commands the truth out of Yu-Ti but we know they are league with each other so that was probably an act.
No, they didn't.
Here is what happens:
1) Master Khan traps Danny.
2) He tries to convince him to accept the offer but as we both know the whole thing was a ruse.
3) Danny refuses, and Master Khan realizes this so he offers Danny revenge.
4) Once Yu-Ti's guilt is clear Danny, enraged for every good reason, breaks out with his chi and then destroys the portal causing a tear in the fabric of reality.
Nope, it was Danny's punch which caused this. As his punch was the one that disrupted it, and causes this tear in the fabric of reality to happen.
In the first place destroying an interdimensional portal is an instance of destroying space. As it's a hole in space to begin with.
Then explain how Danny is able to destroy a hole in the fabric of reality otherwise.
Sorry no, that's your shtick not mine.
Prove that a conventional bomb can destroy a hole in the fabric of reality. That's rhetorical because I know you can't.
He is directly responsible because he destroyed the portal to begin with.
You should heed your own advice, and pick up an dictionary at some point.
You need it more than I do.
Then we're agreed. Your concession is accepted.
More seriously, the context is clearly on my side here.
As I have already made clear.
Then I shall take that as a concession of your part.
Nope, we never see Danny go through the train he only hit it head on.
Danny launches himself into sky specifically because the train is also in the sky by manipulating electromagnetism. He then falls down from the sky afterwards near where they were. This is because that's where he was in the sky not on the ground.
You have once again not proven that they were a hundred meters near the explosion. Nor three-hundred which was your initial claim.
You're taking the "it's great to fight alongside them" out of context. When it is simply referring to the fact he proud to fight on the same side as them.
I have taken apart your arguments over here. So, you're wrong.
Nope, not at all.
As It should be clear by now I did that because of the character limit on posts.
Yes, and you're reading them wrong and relying on confirmation bias by ignoring any context that disagrees with you and only focusing on what does agree with you.
Why don't you take a break so you can find your glasses? Your eyesight seems to be failing you. I hear that comes with the territory.
You're not the one dealing with multiple forum breaking posts in a row but you will be soon. I am probably going to have around eleven posts.
Get ready to feel exhausted.
Yes, and I am not being paid to shift through your keyboard vomit but I do anyway.
As noted before there is a character limit, and I didn't want to double post.
Just because I cut them out doesn't mean I forgot what you said. I had no choice because you're not concise.
This has yet to be proven.
That would be you. You have the full context but fixate specifically on only parts of it. A fine example is when you ignore parts of narration that disagree with you, and only accept parts that don't. Instead of building a whole picture out of them all.
I have already taken apart your explanations.
He was going to. That was why it was so important for him to be depowered before he did. Otherwise London would have been destroyed.
Who specifically has the power of a hydrogen bomb, and was going to destroy London sooner rather than later.
No, they're really not just take for example the fact if we take the databooks to heart Mjolnir can only fly at speeds of around mach 30.
This is backwards once again. You're the one whose interpretations are incorrect.
How in world does Daniel Rand being a peak human, with his chi, make any kind of remote sense? It makes about as much sense as Kenshiro being as slow as Usain Bolt.
So am I.
The difference is that you think the databooks are reliable when they're not.
This coming from the person who thinks Kenshiro can clear here even against the Hulk and Hercules? No, you're the one being unreasonable here.
Nope, we never see Danny go through the train he only hit it head on.
Danny launches himself into sky specifically because the train is also in the sky by manipulating electromagnetism. He then falls down from the sky afterwards near where they were. This is because that's where he was in the sky not on the ground.
You have once again not proven that they were a hundred meters near the explosion. Nor three-hundred which was your initial claim.
You're taking the "it's great to fight alongside them" out of context. When it is simply referring to the fact he proud to fight on the same side as them.
I have taken apart your arguments over here. So, you're wrong.
Nope, not at all.
As It should be clear by now I did that because of the character limit on posts.
Yes, and you're reading them wrong and relying on confirmation bias by ignoring any context that disagrees with you and only focusing on what does agree with you.
Why don't you take a break so you can find your glasses? Your eyesight seems to be failing you. I hear that comes with the territory.
You're not the one dealing with multiple forum breaking posts in a row but you will be soon. I am probably going to have around eleven posts.
Get ready to feel exhausted.
Yes, and I am not being paid to shift through your keyboard vomit but I do anyway.
As noted before there is a character limit, and I didn't want to double post.
Just because I cut them out doesn't mean I forgot what you said. I had no choice because you're not concise.
This has yet to be proven.
That would be you. You have the full context but fixate specifically on only parts of it. A fine example is when you ignore parts of narration that disagree with you, and only accept parts that don't. Instead of building a whole picture out of them all.
I have already taken apart your explanations.
He was going to. That was why it was so important for him to be depowered before he did. Otherwise London would have been destroyed.
Who specifically has the power of a hydrogen bomb, and was going to destroy London sooner rather than later.
No, they're really not just take for example the fact if we take the databooks to heart Mjolnir can only fly at speeds of around mach 30.
This is backwards once again. You're the one whose interpretations are incorrect.
How in world does Daniel Rand being a peak human, with his chi, make any kind of remote sense? It makes about as much sense as Kenshiro being as slow as Usain Bolt.
So am I.
The difference is that you think the databooks are reliable when they're not.
This coming from the person who thinks Kenshiro can clear here even against the Hulk and Hercules? No, you're the one being unreasonable here.
That was the second time Danny stole it back by the way. The first time the Steel Serpent did that he died because he couldn't handle Danny's chi, and quite literally melted.
No, it won't.
Show me Goshoha working against anyone who can survive punching a train filled with enough explosives to destroy a city. Show me Goshoha hurting someone who can survive blows powerful enough to rupture space and time. As Danny could do that easily enough when Davos fought him without his chi. The very same chi that can destroy inter-dimensional portals and the fabric of reality.
That example is using something psychic in order to transform the Hulk back to normal. It is even specifically referred to as psychic imagery in that scan.
Yet, you're the one saying I am illiterate?
You're welcome. I live to please.
That's makes it impressive without even having known the hypnotic fist style Danny's chi could mesmerize the Hulk. Who explicitly is resistant to mind control.
Show me Kenshiro copying any kind of mind control technique or anything in regards to telepathy.
Only specifically after Danny healed the damage done to him by the demon. Which seemed to give him the strength fight against it long enough to kill himself.
I wasn't the one making multiple long posts in a row, and splitting them said posts apart instead of simply snipping in order to save space and time.
Now I will though.
Hope you enjoy making twenty more long posts to counter my eleven.
It should be clear that I snip to save room by now.
So you say but I am not seeing you back it up.
Which healed Matt Murdoch's soul. As the damage wasn't physical in nature. It didn't tear him part. It twisted his soul.
The point was that Danny's chi could reach Matt's soul, and give it the strength to fight back against the demonic possession.
Which is basically the same thing? We haven't seen Raoh's Goshoha or his punches destroy spirits. So, I am not sure why that means Kenshiro has a sudden defense against this.
Unless you are still trying to the obvious spiritual aspects of chi.
Why not?
More importantly can Kenshiro hurt Danny if he dies and becomes a ghost?
I could ask the same of you.
No limit fallacy. The Hulk and Hercules can both interact with space and time with brute strength. If they can do so with something that abstract they can do the same with Musou Tensei.
I find this extremely ironic coming from you considering your track record lately in regards to the Sentry.
Pot, kettle.
Kettle, pot.
Black on black racism.
We have to solve the problems in our community first before we blame the police.
The most likely scenario here is that Danny punches Kenshiro's head off before he can do anything, and then proceeds to wander the world as a traveling monk by the name of El Presidente. What wonders he leaves in his wake.
Nope, when someone is forced into becoming spirit and thrust into the afterlife they basically are. This has nothing to do with astral bodies or astral planes.
Yes, actually.
Just the Thunderer for example despite being much weaker than Iron Fist was able to live for millions of years. Thanks to his chi.
I already took apart both of those points. So, you're going to have to come up with something better.
No limit fallacy.
You really enjoy exaggerating this particular technique don't you? Just for your information a no limit fallacy is saying something has no limits without evidence. Which you can't provide anyway. As the evidence needed is impossible to get.
Such as it being able to protect Kenshiro from everything that's every existed in fictional media. You need to show it working against positively everything.
His chi can work on spiritual bodies. It can disrupt space and time. It is working here.
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Which is relevant how exactly? It's going to protect Kenshiro from attacks that can work on spirits, and even the fabric of reality?
That would be you as evident by the fact you outright omit or ignore context at your leisure even when it's right in front of you.
I literally have nearly every appearance of Daniel Rand in Marvel on my laptop.
Danny won't even break a sweat as he tap dances on Kenshiro's face. Luke Cage is going to have to tag in. Otherwise, Kenshiro gets to learn what's it is like to be a dance floor.
A comic book company known for its stupidity and inconsistency. Who can barely keep up with its own canon.
Just a friendly warning is all. It's a pretty bad position to debate from.
I sincerely especially considering that this one has no official translation.
It shows that he is only as fast as Usain Bolt when it comes to running. Which is contradicted by what we see him do.
So now you're to argue that Danny is peak human by our own standards. As fifty punches in three seconds is only very, very slightly superhuman.
There are actual people who can punch 13 times in one second. Then 39 times in three seconds.
Danny dodges bullets once again, and they're explicitly in slow motion.
Where is it stated that this what Kenshiro is capable of these things without his touki. You're making positive claims with nothing to back them up but your mountains of contradictions.
How can you even honestly argue that Danny is peak human WITH HIS CHI at that. This is the most dishonest line of debate I have ever seen. You're arguing after everything I have provided, and all the context you butchered that he isn't even superhuman?
No, here is a better example of Danny's combat speed.
Where Danny does the same thing Kenshiro does whenever he punches in a flurry. Whilst suffering from heavy exhaustion due to fighting in a demonic gladiator on a daily basis, and being kept in a dungeon.
That's funny from my vantage point you seem to have this entirely backwards as it seems as if Danny is going to be tap dancing on somebody's face tonight.
You see, you say these things but act in precisely this way yourself. You're ignoring the context I provided. You overlooked what I noted. You fixate on one part of the context whilst ignoring the rest and have the nerve to act as if I am the crazy one here.
Yes, you do as seen in this thread in regards to Kenshiro. As seen in other threads in regards to the Sentry.
Which contradicts what we actually see. Unless you to argue that Kenshiro can lift the entire universe on his shoulders or something.
The speed also contradicts what we see of Kenshiro in the manga.
Which does not mean it's any faster with the other techniques unless specified otherwise. It could simply that he punches people for that long a time before he finishes his strikes.
Which pales in comparison to what Danny has endured, and handled in his career. Kenshiro hasn't survived anything akin to megatons of tnt or an explosion that could have wiped Kun-Lun off the map.
Nope, they probably wouldn't even faze Danny all that much. As nuclear armaments are insufficient as it is when it comes to hurting our resident martial artist of Kun-Lun.
That would be you once again when you ignored that Danny refused Khan's offer, and that the Dragon Kings of Kun-Lun were subservient to him.
Which is as egregiously wrong as Kenshiro being only able to move as fast as Usain Bolt and only punching slightly faster than peak humans in our world.
As I already noted databooks are unreliable in every sense of the word. Yet, it continues to fly over your head.
You need to learn that I don't care about how you ignore or omit the rest of the context in order to service your biased opinions. You can use the confirmation bias all you like but it's not making the rest of context disappear.
Now we're going in circles. You say I am doing this, and I am saying you're doing this.
Which I have recently rebuked several times over. No matter how much you plug your ears, and pretend your subjective opinions make sense?
They're not becoming true any time soon.
No, I am not.
You made the claim that these civilians are moving in this time-frame. Now prove that they are.
Prove it then.
Show me them actually moving in this time-frame instead of staying huddled on the floor. As from what I can see they didn't move at all. That was the shooter.
I claimed that everything Danny did happened in that timeframe. Along with whatever kept up with. In this case the shooter.
Now you're sounding as if you are a broken record. You can repeat it all you want but I already rebuked it several times already.
Yes, and those civilians weren't moving in that timeframe at all. Simply Danny, and the Shooter were moving. Nobody else had the chance in that particular scan.
I am acknowledging that the people who actually moved in this time-frame are superfast. Which only includes Danny and the shooter.
Yet you have nothing concrete to actually back it up.
What a surprise.
It's not a joke. That's what Danny did, and as I clarified those people huddled on the floor? We never see when they move.
Despite the narrator asserting otherwise. Numerous showings pinning Daniel Rand as far, far faster than sound.
As well as all of the other instance of superhuman reflexes you tried to either ignore or purposely misinterpret.
Such as with Danny and Master Khan, the fact Danny moved to defeat someone in the time it would take a bullet to leave a barrel, and doing the same to save Brenda.
I did read them.
The problem was I had to snip them after replying because of how long winded you are. Don't worry though.
I am going to give you a taste of your own medicine soon.
Yes, you are. You're presuming something without any evidence.
So, care to provide that evidence which shows that it is either an AK-47 or an M16? I have been asking for it for a while now.
We don't see by how much they move at all. I am talking about the distance here. I haven't been referring to the time. Which is what you think I have been talking about.
That's because as the narrator makes clear this is the time-frame in which that happens. Whether you like it or not.
Then show me that couple moving on the page where this happens. Oh wait, they don't actually do anything. What a surprise.
Despite the fact I have proven that Danny is even faster than Kenshiro.
Several times.
No limit fallacy once again. Show me musou tensei working against characters who are so strong that they hurt abstract things such as space and time.
Kenshiro wouldn't be able to press the Hulks or Hercules pressure points to begin with. Not with their strength and durability.
Danny is so fast that it wouldn't even work, and on top of the fact he can absorb chi through direct contact? That ends with Kenshiro's techniques failing as they are entirely reliant on touki.
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As seen here.
Just hitting the pressure points isn't enough.
Nope, Kenshiro is not pressing the Hulk's or Hercules pressure points. Danny either murders him before then or absorbs his touki.
Ayup, and it's all sound. As I have proven to you already several times. You can feel free to disagree if you want but when you're wrong?
You are wrong.
Which you are. Have you forgotten how you said Kenshiro could defeat all of these characters at once, and with laughable ease?
Which you have done yourself by claiming that I didn't know the context. That I did this "sort of thing" in other threads.
I feel the same way whenever I see you trying to debate.
Yet as I already noted Danny had no intention of going back. As that would have disgraced his pride as a warrior of Kun-Lun.
We clearly see that Danny is still trapped here.
No, it isn't.
What is happening is that Master Khan is ordering Yu-Ti to answer, and then his guilt becomes apparent.
It's then that Danny's hands begins to glow and he breaks out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.
In due part of the fact that Danny's chi has already shown to be highly effective against magic, and he has shown to be able to absorb it.
Yet, you're complaining about me missing context?
Due in part that Danny broke out of them with his chi rather than only brute strength, and he already has a history of absorpting magic in this very issue.
Nope, Master Khan had every intention of killing him for his chi. As seen in the Return to Kun-Lun storyline. Where we see that the Dragon Kings are subservient to him.
What I am doing is taking everything we know about Master Khan and Yu-Ti into account. Namely that the latter was subservient to the former. Along with the other Dragon Kings.
Yes, and I already explained that Danny wasn't moving this fast 24/7. There is a difference in combat speed and travel speed. As you yourself acknowledged with Kenshiro earlier.
He moved this fast specifically during that one instance, and when he caught that knife later.
Neither do you since you seem so keen on dismissing Danny's many feats here in any way that you can.
Not wrong. As I already corrected you several times myself. We're going in circles.
You posted a single low-end instead of one of the many more impressive feats that Danny has. Which you dishonestly claimed was the best he has for combat speed.
After-images, and fancy blurs are the farthest thing from quantifiable. I can even admit that. What makes it quantifiable is time and distance.
No, it is clearly not. He is creating after-images just like Kenshiro but that's not what makes it quantifiable. It's the speed of flechettes which are similar in regards to bullets.
No, it isn't.
What it is you ignoring an obvious instance of super-speed compounded on the fact it was against dozens of flechetes coming at him every which way. Which forced him to move his upper body a lot.
Only against a single object. It's not against dozens of them flying at you at once, and especially not when you explicitly use super-speed to stop them.
How could he have positioned himself to even catch them all at once?
He doesn't anyway. As we see in the scan.
Flechettes are similar in speed to bullets, and he was blocking dozens of them.
Danny is moving his hands a few centimeters next to him to block a few flechetters.
Nope, it's made quite clear that Danny did all of that as the bullet was leaving that other guy's gun.
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Which means he is faster than the shooter and the bullet.
Nope, this is where your reading comprehension fails. Danny specifically moves as the bullet is leaving the barrel. That is blatantly superhuman. It means before it could even leave the barrel Danny was already moving faster than it.
No, it wasn't. You never addressed that added context. You ignored it instead.
Your arguments? I have taken them apart. You have nothing now.
Yet, I already proved you wrong and showed you how Danny was able to steal back his chi from Davos. That happened not once but twice.
Heck, his origin story is all about stealing chi from Shou-Lao the Undying. It has worked against radiation, and it has worked against magic.
I have satisfied the burden of proof.
Ad nauseam.
Saying that Kenshiro is in the same class as Hulk or Hercules in strength is a disgusting overestimation of his strength.
Not a misunderstanding you were quite clear about your opinion earlier.
You're the one who is dickriding right now. I would never say something so outlandish for Iron Fist. Yet you complain about the thousands of times the speed of sound and nuclear punches?
Nope, you wanted me to address your points without snipping them? I am going to do that right now.
I can't wait for your twenty post counter argument.
That's sarcasm.
Yes.
You are so wrong here.
So you get to say it has no limits? No thank you. I don't eat up garbage. I prefer my meals fresh and healthy. Just because it wasn't hard doesn't mean he can literally lift or overpower anyone that exists.
This coming from the guy who thinks that Kenshiro can destroy all ten combatants here at the same time with ease?
Yeah, not buying something this transparent.
Nope, by angular scaling when Danny jumped away from the dragon he cleared a good dozen meters.
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Notice how far away he is from the dragon's head in contrast to before? That's way more than nine meters. As that dragon was huge but it's head looks tiny now because of the distance crossed.
Neither is Kenshiro's speed if the databook is to be believed.
Making up more numbers without any explanations. That's definitely more than two meters but that wasn't what impressed me. It was when Danny leaped away from the dragon's breath.
Which by angular scaling would be pretty damn far.
Also, once again where is the citation for the databook saying this was Kenshiro not using any touki? I have yet to see that evidence.
I imagine that I never will.
I already explained why all of those were relevant. Just look over my posts. It should be easy going through eleven different long posts. Now get to that or whatever it is you're going to do.
Which does matter. As I have already explained. You are the trying to debate "seriously" when you already made your bias clear since the beginning.
No, I think someone who is trying set themselves up as a reasonable debater while at the same saying things such as "Daniel Rand is peak human at best" and "Kenshiro can defeat everyone in this gauntlet at the same time" is far more appropriate.
The issue in question being your obvious favor for Kenshiro that is blatantly egregious. You dodging the context I provided, and relying on confirmation biases that cut them out.
Then there's your fixation with databooks instead of relying on what we see in the stories. Which you break yourself by saying that Kenshiro is that crazy fast.
Which I provided in wholesale already. Which you handwaved, and ignored because of "MUH DATABOOKS" and "DAT FIST OF THE NORTH STAR."
No, I am not and I already addressed the issue of speed. If you actually paid attention. On top of providing the other feats you asked for. Which you tried to dismiss as well.
Yet, I have provided half a dozen examples where Danny does and even many where he exceeds what Kenshiro could even dream of.
Funny that.
A blatantly dishonest calculation because you're relying on a databook to begin with. Which is contradicted by what we see Spiderman's webbing subdue.
When it has worked against far stronger enemies than that would suggest.
Yet it was able to restrain Iron Man, Luke Cage, and even the likes of entire buildings. Be used to decapitate sentinels. Able to throw large pieces of rubble, and do things that suggests it's far stronger than this.
Yeah no, you don't get to use this.
That's not the average size of a man's palm. You didn't even input the proper information into it. I don't imagine you put in the correct information in the other brackets either.
Which is wrong because you put in the incorrect data for the brackets. I don't imagine you even know how to properly use this calculator either.
Ayup, they are.
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That's not what we were even comparing there. We were talking about them being bullet-proof but if you want to use another red herring that's fine.
Danny's best durability feat is surviving an explosion that would have destroyed Kun-Lun without a scratch. As I already noted. So, does Raoh have anything along the lines of this?
Oh, and of course there was absorbing Radion's attacks which were progressively growing to be in the "hundreds of megatons of tnt." Which also failed to kill Danny. Who absorbed the brunt of them.
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Not a single one of yours have passed for anything approaching decent when compared to what I am used to. You are trying way too hard here to shoot for Kenshiro's victory. Going so far as to undermine what the other side is capable of.
Despite having every one of Iron Fist's appearances on my laptop? That I can grab at my leisure?
That's cute but not true.
Just accept that Kenshiro is getting tap dance lessons tonight, and his face is the dance floor.
There is also the instance where Daniel Rand punches through a helicopter by leaping towards it from the side of a skyscraper. As he fights a bunch of ninjas amidst free fall.
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He leaped all the way from the skyscraper, through the helicopter, and made it back in one piece.
Never argued as such. I was saying the databook painted Kenshiro as such, and still does. I was noting your hypocrisy when you brought that up to say Danny was "peak human" even with chi.
Love Iron fist and looking at the scans, he is a beast but he does not stand a chance against Ken. The fight would be over as soon as the bell ring. Nothing against Iron, Ken is just on another level. FAR above his level in every single category. You might as well say Iron fist could beat Kids Goku as well if he can beat Ken.
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