There is a passage in Apocalypse from an omniscient or otherwise extremely well educated source indicating that the shifting of the Force's balance in the PT was the product of someone other than Plagueis and/or Sidious?
Yoda/Luke/Killiks. So I mean... Pretty good sources.Not omniscient, I'll give you that. But as reliable as Sidious, who admittedly didn't truly understand the process himself. Especially together? Yeah, probably.
You're being very vague. I haven't found a single reference to this phenomenon that remotely contradicts Plagueis's ritual beyond Thuruht's distorted recollections and, per Denning, "The Killiks really don’t remember anything quite accurately. It’s all filtered through the minds of people who’ve become Joiners."
Would you mind being a little more specific as to Yoda's and Luke's beliefs?
I finished book myself. This book raised only more questions and interpretations about what is balance in the Force, when it was tipped, how and how many times, was it restored or not and whether Anakin really restored balance. I will share my thoughts in relevant topic.
"His father’s refusal to become the new Keeper of the Balance had set off a terrible chain of events. All three of the Ones had died, and now the Force was out of Balance.
Looking back over the last half a century, it certainly seemed to Luke there had been a shift toward chaos."
And shortly after.
"The galaxy was tipping toward darkness before their eyes, and as far as Luke could see, the Jedi and their allies were the only ones capable of restoring Balance. If they did not dedicate themselves completely to the light all would be lost."
Luke nodded. "Of course," he said. "But there isn't a lot to tell. In Yoda's story, Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker encountered the Father when he was dying. The Son and the Daughter were at odds because the Son wanted to take the Father's place. The Father told Anakin that he had been chosen to assume the Father's place-and keep the balance between the two siblings. When Anakin refused, matters came to a head. The Ones fought, all three were slain, and their world died with them."
The book insinuates that the death of the Ones was what tipped the balance of the force to the dark side.
Look at it this way.
The Ones were beings of the Force. They did not exist infinitively but appeared around 100k years ago(not a fact). They experienced emotions like normal human beings. They could die and they did.
They withdrew from influencing the galaxy inside monolith, which means father did not want to affect the galaxy in any way.
So. Are they really the true keepers of the balance in entire galaxy or it is just a father trying to live in piece with his kids? Are they really gods or just another example of powerful Force beings that could reshape the galaxy the way they wanted but galaxy would live better without someone as powerful as them? And, moreover, how could their death affect the whole galaxy, if they withdrew from it anyway? And what if son just happened to be kind like sister, would that ruin the galaxy?
Was it really Anakin's destiny to take the father's place or it is just a father trying to find someone to look after his kids? Is it really destiny of the Force or just an example of someone's egoism?
Son showed Anakin his future as Darth Vader. Maybe this is the real Anakin's destiny?
See how opened all this new information to interpretation?
There's no real contradiction, though. Plagueis & Sidious were active participants in the ritual; Yoda's information is second hand, Luke's is third hand. The Force's imbalance was established by Mace to have occurred prior to the films in TPM and AOTC, which chronologically precede the Father's death in the Mortis trilogy.
Until Apocalypse came out I always thought the Ones didn't actually "exist". Rather they were like the Vader illusion that Luke confronts in the dark side cave. So of Anakin "stayed behind" it wouldn't be that he literally took the Father's place and lived on Mortis but rather he would give up on his worldly desires (Padme).
The Jedi Covenant also have a vision of Vader almost 4000 years before. Anyway, I've always thought it was a cool idea that Anakin didn't merely bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith but also the Old Jedi Order as they had grown stagnant and ineffective. This would then allow Luke's new superior Order grow.
Sabers would go to caedus by a fair margin
Force is hard. They are both monsters in the force but considering caedus has surpassed ROTS sidious in terms of force usage I’d say he’s a little above Plagueis. I am all out duel caedus takes a 6-7/10 majority.
Apr 11th, 2012 02:40 AM
