So I recently got into a debate about Superman vs Goku, and was asked to provide what I thought was the average weight Superman could lift - and I really didn't know the answer and had to think about it for a while.
So this is question to all you guys. There is obviously no right or wrong answer, there are high and low end feats, and where the middle is, is different for everyone - Basically how each person interprets the character. So please don't post feats as "evidence" for yourself or against someone else's view.
For me I still haven't decided, but around 1 million tons should not be too difficult for him on average.
The other difficulty is translating the feats into tons, but lets see where Superman stands on KMC. Who knows if we get enough opinions on here we might be able to set a precedent
I disagree with that to be frank. I think if you take each showing in every comic and determine how much he lifted in each (in ones that can be quantified, and a rough scientific estimate for ones that aren't easily quantified), you could work out an average.
Now of course this is a very difficult task and beyond reasonable, but I'm just asking for each person's guess of what that would or should be. And in a way, as a supporter for Superman in the Vs debates, one would be putting something on the line by commenting on his/her opinion of their character's average strength (could be used against you). So again not an easy thing to do, practically or in terms of the estimate possibly becoming a liability in debates later on.
But I do wish someone would give it a shot! Even getting a consensus on the weight range would be nice.
1 billion tons is about the weight of a small mountain. (everest would weigh hundreds of trillions of tons)
1 billion tons is far too low a number for his 'average'. FAR too low.
I'm going to say in the hundreds of quintillions of tons range, just like in All-Star Superman. Though truthfully, it could be a alot higher judging by feats, since 200 quintillion tons is a lot less than the weight of the earth.
It's impossible to figure out an average weight Superman lifts, because the objects he tends to lift really don't have an average weight... His lifting feats range from lifting cars (a few tons), to airplanes (75 tons), to white dwarf stars (100 tons), to pyramids (75 million tons), to the earth itself (roughly 3,250,000,000,000,000,000 tons), to the infinite book (infinite tons.)
(I'd love to see someone average out those figures out. )
Aside from that, anyone who argues that Goku can lift more than Superman hasn't read much (if any) Superman-related material.
Not the one Superman lifted. It was a baby white dwarf that weighed exactly 100 tons.
Yeah, boeing 747's, and the like, weigh roughly 300 tons. He has lifted those (obviously), but I was referring to the personal aircraft he lifted in a MoS issue I read the other day... It was the the first thing that came to mind.
That is idiotic. If he lifted a ton, 10 tons and finally 100 tons, it doesn't mean that on average he is able to lift only around 37 tons, when the first two objects he lifts are something that are not even close to straining him. That's about as dumb as saying that since he fights both Toyman and Mongul, his average is somewhere in-between them, so he wouldn't be able to take on Mongul on average.
Even John Byrne had him capable of lifting mountains, and there likely isn't a post Crisis writer who would think of him any less than that.
If you want to make an average, you can do it on a writer-to-writer basis and aproximate where his upper limit would be on each portrayal, but not on some asinine "here he lifted x, here y, here z, let's make the mean!".
Why so mad? Why the insults? You made a valid point, you also revealed yourself to be a complete douchebag.
Obviously I would not factor in feats like lifting a newspaper, but anything of considerable weight (or whatever you consider low-end weights), lets say over 100,000 tons, or whatever you want to set it at. Thats just my opinion - you can have yours - no need to act like a absolute jerk.