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the ninjak
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If you heard David Hayter's original treatment for X-Men 3 before Brett Ratner, you would hate Last Stand too.


The Guyver wrote the original screenplay? Sweet if it happened.


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The other two movies did the exact same thing.

At least they were remotely good though and had arguably decent enough characterization for nearly all the major characters presented (unlike Last Stand), but First Class is probably the best one thus far for not coming down to being a Hugh Jackman wankfest.


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At least they were remotely good though and had arguably decent enough characterization for nearly all the major characters presented (unlike Last Stand), but First Class is probably the best one thus far for not coming down to being a Hugh Jackman wankfest.


Have to disagree to an extent. Cyclops was an abomination, as was the love triangle between him, Jean and Logan. Storm was iffy too, imo.

Honestly, the first movie showed promise, but the second, as well as it was made, just really disappointed me; the only good things (imo) being Stewart, McKellan, Cummings, and Kelly Hu in that catsuit.


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My problem isn't even with Jackman; his Logan's really good, if a little more "squeaky-clean" than I'm used to. I prefer a little more torment in Wolverine and a little less "good example." But most of that is less to do with Jackman and more with the writers wanting him to look good.

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My problem isn't even with Jackman; his Logan's really good, if a little more "squeaky-clean" than I'm used to. I prefer a little more torment in Wolverine and a little less "good example." But most of that is less to do with Jackman and more with the writers wanting him to look good.


Nobodies saying he didn't play a good Wolverine.

We're saying that he was essentially shoved down our throats. X1, X2, and X3 should have all been called Wolverine Chronicles.

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X2 made more sense with Wolverine alot more it with them finding out the old Weapon X place.


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It suffered for a couple of reasons

Studio Interference. After Singer went to go do Superman Returns Fox decided to rush production to have it out by Summer 2006. They didn't even have a director until weeks before filming was to begin. And when a director is finally on board, it's Brett Ratner who had grown a reputation for being a hack, douchbag, MTV music video, action director. They also didn't wanna wait for several actors to take care of prior engagements before filming.(Marsden, Romijn, and Paquin) As a result several characters were either "killed off" or had very little screentime.

It also suffered by having so many characters and not even being 2 hours. Angel was also a character that wasn't on screen very much.

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I cant believe the HORRIBLE Juggernaut they had the nerve to display! They used the "Juggernaut *****" joke but clearly they didnt watch the video since he was so damn tiny! Granted he was bigger than everyone else but come on!


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Well Vinny Jones is a tiny guy. They didn't use CGI, just a muscle suit so they couldn't make him too huge.

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I wouldn't call 6'2" "tiny".


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I would.

I'm approaching 6'5. : D


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And yet you're still a cowardly black man with the physical capability of a kitten. That's been run over. And injected with AIDS.


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I didn't mean height. He's not a "large" man. And I'm 6'1. 6'2's not that tall.

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It's over four inches taller than average American height.

Though yeah, he made a pitiful Juggernaut.


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Originally posted by -Pr-
The other two movies did the exact same thing.


Yep, but I didn't care "that" much. Because the movies were actually ok, or good.
I'm not a fan of Cyclops, but I recognise him as a central piece of the team.

I accepted that he was only shown "on the side", because, well, Wolverine sell more, and the team was already established, so, it wasn't "that" important to show him on the front stage. But even so, he was the one leading the X-Men team in the final battle, and his presence showed him in a good light.
Xavier and Magneto were awesome. Creed, on the other hand, sucked ass, but hey, they can't give a good treatment to everyone, I guess.

I loved the second movie, with the exception of Cyclops taken away right of the bat. The movie debut was The Shit, with Nightcrawler making his way into the White House. The story was good. Nothing bad to say about it.

The third movie, OMG. They ****in' killed Cyclops in the oppening sequence, then, lated, killed Charles Xaver. Wtf.
Also, wtf happened to the Juggernaut's background story? This series need a reboot as bad as the Four Fantastic series needs a reboot (don't get me started on this) because they scrapped it. Marvel should take care of the Marvel movies. They have to stop selling the series.

Seriously, only the Blade Trilogy have been constantly decent, if you forgot some details of the third opus.


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All the new Marvel movies have been good. Hulk, Iron Man 1 & 2, Captain America, Thor. And Avengers is going to be awesome.

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All the new Marvel movies have been good. Hulk, Iron Man 1 & 2, Captain America, Thor. And Avengers is going to be awesome.


Hell yeah.


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All the new Marvel movies have been good. Hulk, Iron Man 1 & 2, Captain America, Thor. And Avengers is going to be awesome.


As someone who's been an X-Men fan for as long as I have, I'm actually jealous of how good these other movies have been. Even the Fantastic Four movies used the characters to their fullest extent.

Why do all Marvel's other characters get all the best writing, the best effects, while we X-Men fans get such comparatively lackluster efforts?

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As someone who's been an X-Men fan for as long as I have, I'm actually jealous of how good these other movies have been. Even the Fantastic Four movies used the characters to their fullest extent.

Why do all Marvel's other characters get all the best writing, the best effects, while we X-Men fans get such comparatively lackluster efforts?



I just wonder why viewers like us are not heard. Fans like us should be recognized with what our thoughts are with movies like X-Men. The writers should know that we are very concern of the facts and reliability of the characters' origins and their credibility. The only X-Men movie I like is X-Men 2 that is more likely closer to the realm of X-Men universe. They should care about us because we are the ones who are making them rich.

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I think it's safe to say the the X-men movies would have been great if not for FOX.

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