The vast majority of them are either deliberate fakes (all of the pictures, for instance) or the result of massive incompetence (the supposed giant jaw bone). You seem to be forgetting the scientists who weren't convinced by the skulls. The more reputable and the more intensive the scrutiny the better the explanations scientists came up with. That is never a good sign.
Appeals to "scientists" are also pretty bad. That's a rhetorical way of trying to piggyback on the reputation of scientists without naming specific sources.
Read what I said. It is a carving but it doesn't have anything to do with the article. There is nothing to in the article to suggest it predates human civilization (the article never mentions it).
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You just admitted to being wrong and me to being right. I never said that it was a sure thing, each and every time. What you're doing is a back-peddle turned strawman. Nice try:
I do mostly admit that. I think God, the same god of the Hebrews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, etc. is mostly deist.
I think he is all knowing and all powerful without being all-knowing and all powerful at the same time.
here's how:
God knows every possible event that will ever occur in all of this universe down to the movement of a quark (ha!...so many problems with that statement). However, he does not know the exact path each sentient being will choose among the near infinite possibilities. Presto: all-knowing but not all-knowing at the same time.
I also think that God rarely directly interacts with the universe. If He did, wtf is faith for? WTF do we even come here for if he is goingto wipe our ass all the time? Sorry if I offend anyone, but that's how I feel about the nature of God.
That's not how this works: you already admitted to being wrong because you basically said the same thing as I did. Too bad, move on. You'll be wrong, sometimes.
Edit - I started that search and it only links to porn vids. lol Abandoned. Deal with the fact that doctors say "yes".
Well, this hits at something that I'm at war with myself over: whether there's anything more than particles at work in reality. If there are then your view could work, but if there aren't then ignorance of the volition of sentient beings would translate to ignorance of the particles that comprise them. Since (as I understand it, and again I'm no scientist) all particles in the Universe interact with one another in some way (feeling like I'm about to get corrected super hard) then ignorance of just one's path would make knowing the real full picture impossible.
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Can god make predictions? Like: "If you let go of that rock it will fall to the ground." If it can then it risks infringing on free will, IMO. In this case the chances of you making any decision are predetermined and, while you have more free will than otherwise, god is sort of messing it up.
If god cannot make predictions because it sees every outcome equally (ie the answer to every question is "something will happen") then I would count that more as knowing nothing than knowing everything.
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According to the bible the Nephelim survived the flood. It was said that the wives that were taken by Noah's sons had Nephelim genes, which lends power to the idea of Goliath, his father, and brothers and why they were said to be of gargantuan stature. The very idea of 4 or 5 guys being over 10 foot tall seems strange in itself, but what seems stranger is that Goliath had to be quite agile to have remained unbeaten in a time of warriors. His armor and sword were said to have been quite the load to bear.
Men of great height of today at just 8-9 feet tall usually need braces to support their large frames. just something to think about.
I believe I addressed your question, already (object to my answer if I am not adequately doing so). God would already know all possible outcomes, but he would not know which path you yourself select from those near infinite options. And he would not see every outcome equally. Only at the single instant of the creation of the universe would he see such a state. The moment any reasoning being makes their first "free-will" decision is the moment God ceases to know exactly what exactly each being with "free-will" will choose. But he still knows all possible outcomes.
And it is far more complicated than that, as well: he can make super strong guesses as to the choices you will make based on the choice your family and friends make (ancestors, even) and the environment you exist in. But he can still be aware of all possible outcomes at the same time.
For me, that demystifies how "all-knowing" god can be while at the same time leaving Him some sort of "omniscience". It becomes a definition of degrees.
In Mormon mythology, the God that most Christians believe in would be a version of some of the beliefs of Satan. Meaning, Satan would know all possible outcomes and we would be forced to have to follow his chosen paths that ALL lead back to sinless lives. meaning, no choice to sin. "How is that like other Christian beliefs, then?" one might ask. Well, it would appear that most Christians belief in the God that knows all possible outcomes that will ever happen in the universe. then whence commeth free will? It is an illusion at that point. If God already knows all outcomes that we will choose, then we really do not have any hope of free-will in the slightest. What we have is a God that already planned out to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah before He created the universe. How lame and confusing as hell (pun?) is that? that's like the Mormon version of Satan's plan: all are forced back to God without free will.
Some (those smoke pot and philosophize dudes) believe that that is directly where God interacts: at the quantum level. I can stomach that. But, again, that's just a re-invention of Aristotle's 40 rings (man, it seems like I say that a lot, lately).
What if Aristotle really was right? God is pretty much the deist god. Atheists and Agnostics would be mostly right, at that point. What if when we die it turns out that most atheists and agnostics were right all along? God didn't interact with this universe and we were kidding ourselves? Meh. We'll find out...or not. Gaspity!
I just hope that when I die, there is something after that allows me to know all the shit that I wanted to know as a mortal. Man...that's really all I want out of existence. I don't care if I become part of some super consciousness God thingie or whatever. Just want to know who really shot JFK, if Atlantis was/is real, is sasquatch really extant, all about all alien life and their possible cultures/science/ideas, the grand unified theory (and actually understand it all), etc. you know, the questions that many people would like to know the answers to.
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yea, it's not pre-civilization. i could be wrong but i'm pretty sure it's one of those sumerian tablets people commonly cite in their ancient alien theories on the net. it's most likely a depiction of one of their many gods.
You do know that is a logical fallacy (I believe it is the inductive fallacy: You cannot provide evidence of an "anal only" pregnancy, therefore, no "anal only" pregnacies exist or have occurred. It also applies to another logical fallacy, but I cannot remember. Might be hasty generalization), right? You cannot demand a documented case and then dismiss my point if I cannot provide an example. You only need to be aware that it is medically possible...which has been my argument from "day 1".
No, you could not let it go. I am allowed to keep on because I was right. You keeping on is just sad...but entertaining.
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