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Naija Boy vs Newjak WBH strength Battlezone
Ok, lets get this show on the road.
World Breaker Hulk as he appeared at the end of HOTM was literally the culmination of Paks fanbyism. He was Hulk portrayed as being exponentially stronger than any of his previous incarnations consistent portrayals/ powerlevels and this was clearly evidenced in his on panel feats. Now note the use of the word consistent as it is extremely significant. All characters have high end feats and low end feats which are lower or higher than their respective norms. Hence there are times that characters will perform astronomically high feats far beyond their station and even miles beyond their tier i.e (Surfer vs Unilord, Hal vs Krona etc ). The silver age is particularly notorious for these kind of outliers. Hulk is no different and in his previous incarnations has some extremely ridiculous outliers even beyond what WBH did such as mindless Hulk doing this:
http://www.mynetimages.com/viewimage/fd94c647a7
Especially notable is that in Hulks case, these feats were performed when Hulk was NOT angrier than ever before and at times even relatively calm. Still, in spite of feats like these, characters have consistent portrayals which define our conception of their power level/tier and in this case strength level. Hence although mindless hulks collision with Ironclad producing enough concussive force to fill countless dimensions is one of the greatest strength feats in comicdom, it is by no means their norm nor is it the level either mindless hulk or Ironclad would operate at within a forum battle since that is not the level they operated at consistently during their comic careers. Even a calm Grey Hulk, has a feat of destroying an asteroid twice the size of Earth (which though not entirely a strength feat should be far above his capabilities) but he is certainly not conceived of as being at that level generally based on the totality of his appearances. Therefore when I refer to World Breaker being 10x stronger, it DOES NOT mean that I am claiming that WBH has a feat more than 10x better than anything any version of Hulk has ever done throughout Hulks entire history . Analogously, Sun dipped superman is accepted as being much much stronger than non-sundipped superman but this does NOT mean he has a feat exponentially greater than anything non-sundipped superman has ever accomplished. Rather it refers to his considerable superiority , to a non-sun dipped superman as he is consistently portrayed. i.e the general superiority of sun dipped superman’s feats, capabilities and portrayal to the feats, capabilities, and portrayal of non-sundipped superman during regular/consistent portrayals. Consequently what is important here, are power levels surmised from the characters non-outlier feats as well as direct performance comparisons against similar opponents/obstacles.
Now the Hulk character is unique in that he has dynamic strength based on anger. Dynamic in Hulks case, refers to his ability to grow stronger with anger. Still, every Hulk save Grey Hulk starts off as a class 100 level character and then goes from there. Further, though dynamic in the aforementioned sense, a thorough reading of the Hulks collection of appearances reveals every Hulk had strength ranges and levels which they were consistently portrayed within during their history. Savage Hulk for instance had dynamic strength but ranged in the vast majority of his battles from Namor (submerged Namor) to Thor level as seen with his regular battles against Thor, Namor, Hyperion, Abomination, Wonderman, Blackbolt, etc. This was his typical and consistent range. Grey Hulk however despite having the exact same powerset (dynamic strength) and hence potential to be just as strong as Savage Hulk, was usually thing level to slightly above thing level and always notably weaker than Savage Hulk and his enemies. This is even noted by Abomination here:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...kisweaker-1.jpg
Merged/Professor Hulk was similar to savage Hulk strength wise save that he started off stronger and amped slower. WWH/Green Scar however was confirmed to be the angriest and therefore strongest incarnation of Hulk seen on panel prior to the World Breaker. The notion that Hulks dynamic strength means that on any given day he could be on any end of the totem pole strength wise and it thus serving as a means to explain away his low feats is absolutely false and out of line with his history. Hulk has always been portrayed as one of Marvels top bricks and his unique power set simply means that while he starts off incredibly strong (Class 100 level for all except Grey Hulk), he can keep getting stronger as the fight goes on. Feats like Hulk getting knocked out by the likes of Captain America and other instances in which he operates below his strength class (i.e below class 100 for Hulks who have that base level) are outlier low feats (which every character has) and should not be rationalized into his power set. Moreover, as seen in the above reference by abomination to Grey Hulk inferiority to Savage Hulk as well as the on panel references to WWH as the strongest Hulk version, an actual reading of the character reveals that it is not difficult to determine the relative strength levels of Hulks different incarnations in comparison to one another as such differences have been explicitly mentioned on panel. These strength levels in comparison to World Breaker Hulk’s are what I will debate here.
Now note that I am not at all suggesting that WBH is at least 10x stronger than savage Hulk would ever be capable of amping. Theoretically, given enough time and incentive, Savage Hulk could certainly amp to even above WBH levels since there is technically no limit to the Hulks potential strength. Any Hulk incarnation with the ability to amp could therefore potentially reach or even surpass WBH levels of strength . Thus in terms of relative strength comparisons between Hulk incarnations, there is a sort of sliding scale since each one has the ability to keep increasing their strength level albeit at different rates. What I am arguing for here is the significant superiority of WBH to any of the previous Hulks within the ranges they most regularly operated at.
The World Breaker incarnation of Hulk is one that is unperturbed by the high feat/low feat quandary faced by most characters because he was shown to operate a consistently high level throughout his limited amount appearances. Additionally it follows that previous low showings of Hulk cannot be used to denigrate this incarnation in any capacity. With that being established, I assert once more that it is abundantly clear from WBH feats that he is character intended to be exponentially stronger than all versions of Hulk before him (remember consistent portrayals and ranges not outlier feats). Now, there has obviously been a bit of overzealousness on the part of some Hulk fans who have suggested he is a skyfather level and what not and being such a polarizing character this has created a backlash of negative sentiment towards the character. Such silly claims are beyond the scope of this debate but I urge the judges to put aside such external influences and look at the argument and on panel evidence based on its individual merit. In doing so I am sure that the validity of my argument regarding the Hulk will be made clear. My claim is that there is a significant gap in strength between the WBH and previous versions. For the sake of clarity however, significant will refer to 10x and upwards. Although without actual writer quantifications, the exact strength gap between WBH and other Hulks incarnations may be difficult to determine; By comparing WBH feats and portrayals in similar situations to those of his previous incarnations, the gulf between them and the elevated level which WBH operates at will become obvious and validate the range of gap (10x) which I have posited within this thread. Ill start with and make extensive use of World War Hulk; known and confirmed on panel to be the strongest version of Hulk up until World Breaker came along. WWH is a Hulk who at base walked around at the upper levels of Savage Hulks typical range (i.e Thor/Sentry level). This was directly attributable to his higher consistent level of anger. Hence demonstrating the gap between WBH and WWH will itself solidify the gap between WBH and weaker incarnations of Hulk on average/within their typical ranges. Now lets establish that WWH was indeed the strongest incarnation of Hulk .The evidence is nothing short of overwhelming.
Here we have Doc strange flatout stating it: http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...hstrongest1.jpg
And here despite Namor having done well and even been comparable to Hulk in the past here he believes fighting against Hulk in this state is futile, further indicating WWH’ superiority:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...inthisstate.jpg
Here we have shield stating it : http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...hstrongest1.jpg
And here we have it reiterated in his Gamma corps file that Hulk is angrier than he has ever been:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...wwhangriest.jpg
Here him being madder and therefore stronger than ever is reiterated again:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...hstrongest2.jpg
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Here Banner once again describes WWH/Green Scar being madder and subsequently stronger than ever before ever
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...haseverbeen.jpg
The writer re-iterates this sentiment through spiderwoman:
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l...5/Warbound2.jpg
Reed richards a particularly accurate source re-iterates that Hulkspower level is off charts now
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...eroffcharts.jpg
Here the strength increase is once again emphasized by the Gamma corps
:http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...sedstrength.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...edstrength2.jpg
This can be further solidified via common foe comparisons:
Here is Hulk vs Wendigo. Wendigo has notably been one of Savage Hulks tougher opponents. Not only has savage Hulk had prolonged fights with Wendigo in which narration described them as evenly matched, but Savage Hulk has actually suggested the notion that Wendigo may have been the strongest of his foes. Now Wendigo's power level do vary with hosts but against Hulk they have always been paritularly formidable. Further it would only make sense for the Wendigo Green Scar fought to be one he encountered before since it remebered him.
Here is a Wendigo Savage Hulk fight:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...180-15.jpg4.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...lkv2-180-16.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...lkv2-180-17.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...lkv2-180-18.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...lkv2-181-01.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...lkv2-181-02.jpg
And here is savage hulk making a reference to Wendigo possibly being his strongest opponent:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/...lkv2-162-10.jpg
Its is significant to point out that while Newjak may attempt to put forward the delusion that Savage Hulks strength level in this fight (and by extension all of his fights) was on a low level, that is patently false. As previously mentioned, Savage Hulk like other Hulk versions has dynamic strength but also had a strength range he fell into consistently. There is no reason to think there is any deviation from the norm here, and we can clearly see that Wolverine is portrayed as being unable to even pierce him (which could possibly have been rectonned to Hulk healing to fast for wolverine to see) which further indicates he is intended to be operating at an optimal level of physicality since Hulks durability/damage soak is directly related to his strength level and anger. When coupled with the fact that Hulk had already previously referenced Wendigo as possibly his strongest opponent it becomes clear that Savage Hulk was at the high levels of his typical range.
Conversely this is how easily WWH/Green Scar handles Wendigo:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ithonepunch.jpg
So easily infact that he wishes for a tougher fight which causes Wendigo and Bi Beast to be amped hugely and grow Godzilla size.... and proceeds to thrash them anyway
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...engthhugely.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...oandBiBeast.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...andBIBEast2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...andBibeast3.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...andBiBeast4.jpg
Next we have Rulk.
This is how Rulk handles savage Hulk:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...owerssavage.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...werssavage2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...werssavage4.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...wersSavage5.jpg
Then here again even Thor admits that Rulk is killing him:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngGreenHulk.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...gGreenHulk2.jpg
The only way Savage Hulk wins is by Rulk later weakening from overheating.
Comparatively here is how Rulk does against the Green scar Persona:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...cingRedHulk.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ingredhulk2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ingRedHulk3.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ingRedHulk4.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ingredHulk5.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ingRedHulk6.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ingRedHulk7.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ingRedHulk8.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ingredHulk9.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngredHulk10.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngRedHulk11.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngRedHulk12.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngRedHulk13.jpg
In summary, Rulk has Green Scar literally smile at his blows to the face, Tries to drain all Green Scars energy (which worked on Savage Hulk btw) and fails, but uses the energy absorbed to amp for one final double fisted smash and which then gets easily brushed off as well, and then gets laid out by a thunderclap.
We have seen how Savage Hulk has faired against Wendigos, Now this is how Prof Hulk fared against Armcheddon
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngprofHulk1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngprofhulk2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngprofHUlk4.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...sesProfHulk.jpg
Armcheddon very casually and very easily subdues him with blasts while not even paying full attention to him since he is also fighting silver Surfer and chatting with his son. Merged Hulk is only able to mount any sort of offence when he decides to release him.
And yet conversely Green Scar completely no sells blasts from not a regular Armcheddon but an Armcheddon heavily AMPED by Hulks own energies:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/... />
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http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...AMPEDblasts.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...MPEDblasts2.jpg
WWH/Green Scar doesnt even notice simultaneous attacks from Wendigo,Bi Beast (who has also battled Savage Hulk in the past)and Armcheddon:
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Thus the difference in the consistent strength levels and ranges of Savage Hulk and WWH whether from outright statements or direct performance comparisons is abundantly clear. To deny it would take a complete disregard for character portrayal and authorial intention. Nonetheless, the enormity of the gap between WBH and WWH is even more evident in the comparison between WBH and WWH to anyone who chooses to read without the hindrance of preconceived notions or obstacles posed by certain predispositions. Now lets examine that gap:
Firstly, WBH is the WWH with all his anger unleashed. He is literally overflowing with rage:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ngwithanger.jpg
Hence, common sense and even a cursory reading of the Hulks appearances would dictate a gargantuan leap in strength due to an apparent gargantuan leap in anger. However, even where common sense and intuition fails, on panel evidence prevails. There were several times that WWH/Green scar outright stomped during the story arc such as:
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Now I am not suggesting these stomps represented the limits of damage that WWH stomps can cause, but they do represent an important dichotomy as somewhat analogously here we have the first appearance of the World Breaker Hulk after Mieks revelation taking a footstep and nearly sinking the east coast:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...nseaboard-1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...rnseaboard2.jpg
This very plainly displays the magnititude of the strength difference being dealt with here. There is quite a large difference in the level of physical exertion involved in a casual footstep versus an outright and deliberate stomp. Furthermore the fact that it was merely a footstep is repeatedly re-enforced by the author with other references to it being made as seen
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...hasisonSTEP.jpg
and for good measure, here his footstep does it again:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...doesitagain.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...oesitagain2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...oesitagain3.jpg
This underscores the importance of the step/stomp dichotomy and shows an authorial awareness of their respective meanings as well as his deliberate use of the term footstep in order to highlight the elevation in the Hulks strength level. As seen, Despite the difference in actual strength application and exertion, WBHs casual footstep is clearly shown to be far more devastating (literally 1000s of times more effectual and powerful), than WWH footstomps let alone his footsteps. Subsequently,taking into consideration the context of the arc, the Hulks characterization, and respective power levels, WBH footstep threatening a continent is a blatant indicator of the exponential gulf that exists between he and the strongest Hulk that existed prior to his arrival; WWH.
In spite of already demonstrating the marked the strength gap between WBH and WWH, there is one pertinent fact that I left out: WBH at the levels I just showed despite the enormity of the gap was HOLDING BACK. Indeed, in the appearances of WBH prior to the infamous Heart of the monster arc, WBH was holding back. Here it is confirmed on panel:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...holdingback.jpg
So yes, a holding back WBH was thus far more powerful than WWH and Savage/Merged Hulk before him. Now despite already having painstakingly shown the significant strength differential between WWH
and WBH even while holding back (which itself definitely far exceeds the 10x threshold established in this thread), i think is necessary to examine how large this strength gap truly is and hence look at a fully unleashed WorldBreaker:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...rkDimension.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...kDimension2.jpg
Above we have Hulk and Betty (red she hulk) in the Dark Dimension colliding in midair and having the shockwaves from their blows annihilate Wendigo, Amrcheddon, Bi-Beast, an army of mindless ones that even Umar couldn’t cope with, the Dark dimension planet, and damage a nearby moon.
So that the gravity of this feat is not lost on some (it really shouldnt be) I will break it down. It is enormously impressive on two fronts namely the characters destroyed as side-effects and the overall damage done. Now while this incident has unfortunately been used by overly zealous Hulk fans to suggest he is skyfather level and what not, the attempts at denigrating it have been downright laughable (from superimposing particle accelerator physics, to suggesting it was an energy projection feat etc). Looking at it in depthly and based on its merit, it absolutely solidifies the proposed strength gap between WBH and previous Hulk incarnations that I have posited. I will start with its effects on the planet. Firstly being able to directly destroy a planet via punches is impressive for virtually any top tier within Marvel and would easily fall within most of their upper tier/outlier range. However this feat is so much more than that. It diverges greatly from merely planet busting as in this scenario a planet was destroyed as a residual effect of their physical blows that occurred far above the ground. The initial transference of kinetic energy and force (impact point) occurs between She Hulk and Hulk in midair. This is noteworthy because as a point of fact, as shockwaves from physical collisions travel further and further away from the impact point, they lose energy exponentially Moreover the greater the area of outward radiation, the weaker the shockwave becomes. Intuitively and on a much lesser scale, this is similar to the difference between being able to knock someone out by punching them in the face, and being able to knock out that same person by punching their relative 10 feet away. Even using this small scale example, the second scenario requires orders of magnitutde greater striking power/strength. Accurately applying these principles to Hulk and Bettys feat highlights how much greater than mere planet busting it is, as the edge (outermost part) of the shockwave generated from a physical clash far above the ground acting on the entire planet (which necessitates an ENORMOUS area of outward radiation) would contain astronomically less (we are talking several, several, several orders of magnitude less) kinetic energy than the initial impact point. The fact that a nearby moon was also damaged only emphasizes this more as going by the inverse square law the amount of kinetic energy acting upon the moon would be inversely proportional to the square of the distance between it (the moon) and the source of the impact. i.e only an infinitesimal amount of KE from the actual impact would even be acting upon the moon in the first place, which further stresses how impressive this feat is. Now it is not lost on me that this is a shared feat. However, in this scenario, we are dealing with mammoth geometric differences in impressiveness compared to mere planet busting and thus even providing half of the force required for such a feat is ridiculously higher than mere planet busting.
The second and more significant part of this feat to my case however, is the annihilation of multiple of Hulks previous foes as side-effects of his and Bettys blows. The fact that these characters were annihilated (literally turned to dust) provides a basis for a direct comparison of Hulk respective performances against them even in his WWH incarnation and further displays the enormity of the strength gap between WBH and any other incarnation of Hulk. I have already stressed the strength differential between WWH and Savage Hulk/Prof Hulk and highlighted their drastically different performances against Wendigo. Nonetheless, even WWH’s trouncing of Wendigo pales in comparison to WBH treatment of him. Here we have Green Scar/WWH bringing Wendigo to his knees with one punch:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...ithonepunch.jpg
Conversely, WBH as previously shown in conjunction with Betty turns Wendigo to dust from a clash of blows while being nowhere close to him:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...kDimension2.jpg
The latter necessitates a ridiculous jump in strength to the tune of several orders of magnitude for reasons already explained. The same analysis can be made regarding Armcheddon. Prior to Hulk actually going full out World Breaker, he landed blows on Armcheddon while still in his WWH/Green Scar persona. Armcheddon takes 3-4 blows in addition having previously taken his own amped blasts to the face before going down:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...MPEDblasts2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...blowfromWWH.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...lowsfromWWH.jpg
As seen previously, when WBH goes all out, Armcheddon is unable to even exist on the same planet (gets annihlated from the residual shockwave from mid air clash) let alone get into a direct confrontation and take multiple punches. This again establishes the marked and high exponential increase between WBH and and WWH as we saw on panel.
Frankly, the evidence for the enormous gap between WBH and all other Hulk incarnations is virtually on every page of the issues he appears in.
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The final group of characters destroyed that I will analyze are the mindless ones. Mindless ones have traditionally been portrayed as near indestructible creatures that are Dormammu’s enemies in the Dark Dimension. Admittedly the mindless ones have had varying levels of formidability under different writers and thus have some low showings during their long history (with some writers turning them into fodder joke characters smh) .However when within the Dark dimension specifically they have been historically portrayed as physically very powerful foes Dormammu/Umar are unable to defeat head on with them rather having to resort setting up a protective barrier to prevent their dimension from being overrun. Taking on the entire army of mndless ones has historically been enough to drain even Dormammus power:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...dlessones-1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...dlessones-1.jpg
They have additionally been able to bring down the likes of Loki:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...edownLoki-2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...downLoki2-2.jpg
More specifically, against Hulk they always been displayed as tireless physical powerhouses:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...helmingHulk.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...elmingHulk1.jpg
Now even most recently prior to their appearance in the heart of the monster storyline, the mindless ones appeared as their classic nigh indestructible selves in Nova’s ongoing series with Nova prime and the rest of the centurions being unable to harm them in the slightest:
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They were even put to work inside Neutron Stars because of how tough they are physically:
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/...hepressures.jpg
Most pertinently, within the HOTM arc they were specifically noted as being too powerful in conjunction for even Umar to handle (she actually wouldnt even survive) which thus establishes that they were operating at their normal and traditional levels of formidability. This fact perfectly emphasizes the impressiveness of this feat both outrightly and relative to other Hulks as despite already trouncing previous Hulks, being tough enough to work in Neutron Stars, unharmable by the nova corps, and formidable enough to overwhelm the likes of Dormammu and Umar, (indisputably confirmed on panel), they were wiped out as a result of the residual shockwave from Hulk and Bettys clash of blows that literally happened miles away from them (remember that unlike Wendigo, Bi Beast, and Armcheddon mindless ones were not even in the same area of the Dark dimension when the Hulk jumped to attack Betty as Umar had teleported everybody away from the barrier)
The preponderance of evidence is utterly overwhelming. From common foe comparisons, to actual feat impressiveness, to simple portrayal: it is clear that the authorial intention for this character was for him to be significantly stronger than any Hulk prior to his arrival and Pak consistently demonstrated this on panel. Attempted attenuation of this overtly clear fact is largely rooted in biased predispositions and falls flat in the face of logical scrutiny. By taking into account feats, portrayal and most importantly direct performance comparisons, the evidence for WBH being several orders of magnitude stronger let alone 10x stronger than WWH and any previous Hulk versions have been consistently portrayed, is indisputable. It is cumulative and takes into account the principal features needed in the interpretation of comic book texts as well as assessment of relative strength levels. No counter argument against this overriding evidence will be able to claim the same as it will have to ignore one or most liekly all of these key components to retain any form of coherence. The evidence is barefaced and my assertion has been substantiated. The decision is easy. Case closed.
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Naija boy
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Bada you can you please close this thread and pin the new one with the working links
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