Yes, which Lucifer still has access to. I don't know whether he can do it without the gate, but considering that it's pretty much part of standard gear for him, this particular strategy should not be up for debate at all.
All I'm saying is that in no other universe I'm aware of would you need the gate, so logically a neutral universe would not require the gate. It certainly should be considered standard gear, though.
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"And then there was nothing. A once broken something now void.
And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
He gave up so much power that a high five from Amadeus hurt his hand and he stated that he wasn't ANY type of god anymore but it was worth it.
Side note : I hate story arcs which constantly interchange the words multiverse and universe. It certainly causes confusion for the reader. When I went back and found that tidbit of info above I also noticed that Athena mentioned the word universe in response to Herc's displeasure of Athena's lack of concern for all those who died, to go along with Herc himself mentioning that only a universe was restored. I was leaning towards the multiverse being affected but now I'm not so sure. With that being said, this part of ODG's previous post seems even more reasonable:
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Yes he did need to. "I gave up everything TO protect....TO heal....TO restore." Then he said it was worth it. He was left completely powerless afterwards. Doesn't get any more clear cut than that.
Holy phuck dude, it's right there on panel. Athena told him to wait till he was better (after that brutal beating he received from CK) to restore creation and rule it as God and he said NO.
He could have done it all AND kept his power but he chose not to. Honest question, did you read the story arc?
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
If I didn't, then how would I know what was EXPLICITLY stated?
Ok fuk it....how bout you post the scan where Athena mentions anything about restoring anything. She only said that when he recovers from his injuries he will be declared the new ruler in place of Zeus. Now a new world can grow (this is not equated to restoration mind you) and then existence will begin anew under his authority.
Stop while you can because you're embarrassing yourself....seriously.
This is spot on and one of the main reasons why Lucifer's "Creation" is without, a shadow of a doubt, a true multiverse. The Naglfar storyline in the series involved actual parallel universes, with an alternate version of one of the characters involved in said storyline(Cas) interacting with the , with it being all but stated on-panel that these realities constituted Yahweh's creation. Since Lucifer's(and by extension Elaine's) creation is clearly equivalent to Yahweh's in every way, shape and form, therefore it too is logically a multiverse.
Since your criteria for a cosmic-scale feat to be multiveral is now fulfilled on Lucifer's part, it's hard to deny that Lucifer's feat being multiversal in scope is unambiguously true.
SuperGod Herc could have restored it all AND ruled it as God but Athena told him to wait till his wounds were healed. He didn't listen to her and didn't want to be God anyway so while he was severely wounded he restored it all and gave up his power (he overexerted himself while wounded).
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
I had that gif on standby. You posted the exact same pages I quoted from. The onlookers can decide for themselves. Only a small percentage of intellect is required to see that you're lying or either lack reading comprehension.
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Actually that seems to point to a third possibility.
We have recreating existence and rule it as its All-Fatheror...rebuilding reality and resurrecting the slain.
So according to that, he could recreate/rebuild existence either way, but it seems resurrecting the dead was what caused him to "expend his divine energy" to the point where he had none left.
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"And then there was nothing. A once broken something now void.
And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
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well, with the handbook entry, which i've never seen, i owe zop an apology. your interpretation may be correct after all. least you got something right in this thread.
^ That may be the general consensus but on panel she said NOTHING about restoration though. She says: "brother wait until you heal, you cannot wield your powers so--" then she was cut off when Herc rushed her. How can we assume she means restoration at that point in time when she didn't even complete her statement? Was she saying this because it looks as if Herc was appearing to be in attack mode? Judging from what was written in those panels we can't say, but one thing is for certain.....restoration wasn't mentioned. She didn't even know what his intentions were until the next page. Only the ambiguous "and as existence begins anew" was stated by Athena but I'm inclined to believe that this simply means having a fresh start with a new ruler. Also, on panel>>>>>handbook.
Can't we just agree that both characters in this thread suck? Lucifer is overrated and Chaos King is needless since he's just a rip-off of Shuma-Gorath.
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Jan 23rd, 2014 03:31 PM
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