I didn't wave away anything at all. That's just a silly thing to say. All I demanded was the proof that cable's autoshields can take the damage diana can dish out and sadly I haven't seen anything that proves me wrong.
Yeah, basically or anything remote to that level of power.
Yeah and? Lifting Islands is all good and dandy but that doesn't holds a candle to autofields that can save someone from black holes and such. Like I said previously, at the level cable was playing lifting islands is no big deal. Here is hercules holding themyscira on his shoulders for thousands of years without any strain.
Not to mention that even if we take the notion into account that he can divert all that "Island holding power" to his auto-shields, it wouldn't hold to this kind of power.
Superman has hit konvickt with punches to shatter small planets and had no effect on him
Like I said cable even in this imaginary scenario that he would just divert all that "Island lifting power" diverted to his auto-shields is going to cause any problem against diana.
Also, if containing some missiles can take its toll on cable, then diana's punches are sure gonna overload him.
Whoa, whoa, whoa since when do we start to give herald level credits to shields like that. Two rookie gls survived a star going nova and a black hole and they are hardly a mid herald bunch of characters. In fact a single random kryptonian has broke the auto-shields of both hal and john and they have high herald level shields.
So unless, you have something more substantial than he's going to divert his "Island lifting power" to his shields and hope that diana's planetary level strength doesn't break it like an egg shell. Because force-fields better than cable's force-fields get broken by people at or below diana's strength level.
She can easily deflect his telekinetic punches with her bracers which have done things like these
Deflecting the combined power of entire greek pantheon
On the other hand all diana has to do is to either shoots a lightning from his bracers or simply just punch him. Seriously cable had terrible durability during that phase. Take a look
I already said that it is invalid due to speculation from a third character and being a shared feat.
Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that. Anyone who has a brain and can read properly can see that it was a commentary by fury and his assistant and by previous proof that removing a virus from a person's body which we clearly see on panel that cable is incapable of such a large scale matter manipulation. Are we really going to prove that surfer had nothing to do with it because he didn't speak? The on panel commentary which is our only proof "suggests" that THEY are doing it. Like I previously said, its unusable for cable as his solo feat.
secondly it only came back because it was too tightly bonded to his DNA and it took almost no power at all for cable to keep it in check according to him
So, I'm calling negative that it hampered his TK powers to any significant level.
Not usable.
C'mon existere, we're talking about comics. You think cable is the only guy with TK shields who has been overloaded by punches before? You can't be serious.
Not if the feedback of the attack to his shield shocks him first. Or she does this
You think its not going to make a difference? Prove it.
Coming from a guy who just in previous paragraph asked if punches in comics can harm energy fields, its laughable. The key word is "intercept". It doesn't denotes his reaction times at all and its just a speculation how fast surfer was going. You can draw a different interpretation and blame unrealistic dialogues in comics all you want, its the only way to know how fast surfer was going.
Yeah, you're clinging to that one scene too much. Even IF we grant cable the benefit of the doubt and say that he was manipulating matters on an atomic state and blah, blah, blah, it isn't going to change his body's reaction time. Sure cable's mind can work at a high rate but not his body as we saw before.
Lasers? Really? That's as impressive as batman deflecting HV after it was fired.
If you didn't notice cable just redirected the laser before it was about to strike HIS SHIELD in a heartbeat. He didn't intercept it.
He can do this while diana is just standing there right? How is he going to send her away when she can deflect or push through his every attack thanks to aegis? She can just carve his shields with her tiara and cave his head in or fry his ass with her lightning.
Speed of light? Here is the official marvel bio on lightmaster stating that his maximum speed in his suit is 140 MPH.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums...asterspeed4.jpg
Cable having a pre-planned strike doesn't negates that he got blitzed by someone who was slower than dazzler on skates. You decided that being blurry means he’s lightspeed?
Fraction of seconds? How impressive! We are talking about nanosecond or faster reactions. Congrats, cable can shrug off a blitz from a guy who has been overpowered by spider man easily at 140 mph.
Yeah, if its blurry its lightspeed, right?
Misrepresenting?
There's not too much to cover here.
Abhi likes to downplay Surfer's board's durability, pointing out that Terrax and Morg have done similar.
Well, Terrax has busted a planet with his axe.[/quote]
I didn't downplay the board's durability. I just pointed out that the board is nowhere near as durable as surfer's durability which is what you were aiming for here.
It didn’t cut surfer at all while it was charged with energy and it cut clean through the board while without any energy amping the strikes. My attempt wasn’t to lowball the board’s durability, you didn’t give any such scan to attempt a lowball. You only showed cable breaking the board and went “Whoa, cable broke surfer’s board” and didn’t even give any durability showings for the board and assumed that since both it and surfer’s skin are of the same color, they must be of same durability, right? My point wasn’t to show that surfer was stunned or koed or whatever, it was to show the contrast between the board’s durability and surfer’s durability. Now if you can show the board taking some major attack and not getting split or broken like against a low herald(terrax), mid herald (firelord) and high herald (morg), then it could considered a game changer for cable to break surfer’s board, untill then its just shooting arrows in the dark.
Good thing is that cable doesn’t have an axe and she’s got two indestructible bracelets.
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You are acting like power cosmic is some kind of benchmark for power, which its not. Its just another fancy name and its power vary from one herald to another. Congratulations are in order for cable, he’s as powerful as terrax because he broke surfer’s board.
Yeah, I’m gonna call bull upon that. Cable was near dead for a time by a simple bullet to the head before his TK saved his ass.
Like I showed earlier extracting a virus from someone’s spores exhausted cable and that fight is once again invalid for cable due to speculation and shared feat.
Tell that to the bullet to the head shot. Oh and diana beats people who carry bigger islands on their back for 3000 years without any strain effortlessely.
This all sounds good when said like this, but when you consider that surfer wasn’t hurt at all, the reparations were just speculation and the providence which was first Graymalkin which became Avalon with added parts from asteroid M for bigger size and which is now Utopia has been lifted up by namor for extended time periods.
The funny thing is that she apparently did just that when fernus was out of her mind and even then she resisted his mind control enough not to tell what he was asking her. This can be called PIS too.
I’m sorry, what? She didn’t resist the telepathy of Max lord, she outright said that it wouldn’t work on her since her new upgrades. Its not resisting, its being immune.
Like I said its not resisting the telepathy, its outright no selling it. Cable may be a world class telepath but unless he’s the power to redefine the truth, he isn’t overruling the control of lasso. Its not the matter of cable’s telepathy being weaker, it’s the matter of Diana being outright immune to mind-control. How does it matter against a lasso that has turned reality warping on universal scale and has warped universe itself when broken that a telepath is some magnitude higher on the food chain? It would force the mental warping out of her head like everytime it has done. Her she does it against queen of fables.
Not resisting, immune to them. Unless you have a showing where ANY telepath has any degree of success against her after the pallas upgrades, its not happening.
I already provided them and its me saying that since superman resisted some telepath, he can also resist cable’s telepathy. Here Diana is outright stated to be immune of telepathic attacks, its your job to prove that she isn’t.
Before her upgrades and despero has never controlled Diana. Communicating telepathically when she allows it isn’t akin to telepathic control because her truth powers can see that J’onn isn’t hiding anything from her or attacking her.
That is a leap of logic. Martians don’t use telepathic illusions to make them invisible, they literally turn their bodies invisible. That is once again before her upgrades and she outright saw through illusions, not some perception like with senses but direct saw through them.
A 5-d imp can rule-over the enchantments done by her gods upon her which is outside of cable’s scope. Its like saying spectre can beat juggernaut despite his physical invulnerability. Of course he can. That limit is above cable’s paycheck.
Yeah, I’ve proved that she is immune to telepathy and communicating telepathically isn’t a sign that she isn’t immune to telepathy given how her powers work. Cable smashing her mind to paste? Who was the last guy immune to telepathic attacks that cable turned into vegetable? Don’t bother, I already know the answer.
By what? Deflected attacks?
As I've shown, Cable is an absolutely ridiculous multi-tasker with an absolutely ludicrous amount of power at his disposal.[/quote]
As I’ve shown most of cable’s showings are a bunch of hyper-inflated feats and he can be overloaded by too much stress like extracting a virus from someone’s body and stopping missiles.
Our dear existere hasn’t shown any better showings from cable’s autoshields that makes somebody think that they can take the punishment Diana can dish out hoping that he can divert his providence lifting power to the shields while using the same power to attack Diana (what an amazing strategy, using a single power entirely in both offense and defense!), his telepathy is useless here and she is fast enough and has impenetrable defenses to block almost every one of his attacks which can be summarized between attacks of low end mid herald to upper level mid herald and at best a high herald level attack at (terrax to firelord level attack+below namor level power) which she can tank easily. What he hasn’t shown is the possibility that Diana breaches his shields and simply cuts off his head with her tiara or her lasso like she does here
He can keep up his assaults as long as Diana allows it and no he’s many appearances as God-like cable where he was fully rested and still was as powerful as shown later. You haven’t proven how he’s taking lasso when she commanded it to not leave her hands.
He doesn’t have any control in this match as Diana can push through every one of his attacks and his durability is too low to think that he can tank any of diana’s punches after she breaches his shield when he stands there mouth agape that his vaunted telepathy doesn’t works on her.
In short, existere hasn’t shown any durability showings from cable, not enough firepower to beat Diana and has misrepresented scans to favor cable. Cable lacks durability, firepower and versatility to win this match since one half of his power set has been proved to be ineffectual against Diana.
Thank you very much gentlemen that concludes our Mid Herald Championship match . I'll pm the judges so they can start they can get in their votes. Good luck once again.
Wow, I thought that was a very nice first round. Shorter post limits are a good idea I think, long-winded battles make people lose interest.
Anyway, I was very impressed by the Cable that Existere presented, but I think abhilegend soundly responded to all of his points and convinced me Wonder Woman would inevitably win. In fact, I'm starting to Wonder () if this was a fair fight at all, maybe WW should be a high herald, her high end feats were far more impressive than Cables. Abhilegend did a good job of questioning the durability of the shields using various comparisons, a point which Existere did not successfully rescue IMO.
I think both defended their champions as well as they could've given the post limit and how the exchange was going. I think abhilegend is going to win.
Abhil did an excellent job. Excellent. In the end, though, this is why I chose Smurph...
-Shielding. While I believe Dianna could eventually break through Cable's shields, I do not believe she could do so before Cable went the 'mind-phuckery' route. She broke through a GL's construct-shielding, yes. However, breaking through said shielding took multiple blows. I believe Cable's shields could hold up equally as long... And for the record, I don't think we ever saw Dianna break through GL auto-shielding in those scans (a GL's manifested constructs =/= the auto-shields the ring itself produces.)
-Speed. I saw evidence pertaining to how uber Dianna's travel speed was. I saw no evidence that led me to believe her battle speed would be sufficient to overwhelm Cable before he preformed mind-phuckery. Tbh, the fact that he was able to compete with Surfer on fairly equal terms (while also weaker than normal do to preforming other esoteric tasks simultaneously) is proof enough [for me] that Cable would have no problems keeping up with Dianna in a battle.
-Telepathy/telekinesis. Considering the above, I saw no full-proof plan regarding how Dianna would get around these abilities. She isn't mind-phuck-proof (and Cable is one of the best telepaths in comics)--and the fact that Cable was able to, so effortlessly, shatter Surfer's board, certainly makes me believe his amped blows would harm Dianna extensively, IF he opted to throw fisticuffs.
Sorry if there are any spelling errors. Typing this shit on an iphone isn't easy.
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I edited that exchange there for fairness reasons. Scans after the whistle and whatnot. I can put them back in if Don or the other judges feel strongly about it.
Otherwise, no harm, no foul. We've all been tempted to do the same in our matches.
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) if this was a fair fight at all, maybe WW should be a high herald, her high end feats were far more impressive than Cables. Abhilegend did a good job of questioning the durability of the shields using various comparisons, a point which Existere did not successfully rescue IMO. 
