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Jack has also done a lot of crazy stuff on the job. As I've stated time and again, Jack could probably have pulled off something of that caliber, but he's never found himself in that position
What do think Bauer does? He only finds out about the terrorist plots maybe 2 hours before they happen, and has no info whatsoever on the terrorist plot. He doesn't just have to dispatch bad guys. He has to find out what they know as well, so his job is a shitload harder. Also, unlike DH villains, 24 villains are very motivated towards their goals
What do you think it's like some police procedural? Bauer usually is risking death or life imprisonment improvising ways to get the info he needs in the extremely short time period he needs it.
Bauer ripped out a man's throat with his teeth. He's very spontaneous
But those bad guys are below 24 bad guys. And it also takes a longer time period. Die Hard and it's subsequent sequels do not take place within a real-time format. They usually occur within a 6 hours-long or more timeframe. Jack takes out bad guys of the same quantity and difficulty in (literally) 15 minutes
McClane pulling the fuel port cover off of the wing made it very convenient for McClane to do that... Yes.
If by made of it, you mean Jack loses his loved one and goes on a roaring rampage of revenge disemboweling people, then sure
Not meaning to rude, but... so what? All pretty base level stuff. not McClane level stuff. This is why the 40 year old virgin is not admitted to such an illustrious proceeding. McClane extrapolates the necessary info as he goes...point?
So is McClane. If you believe otherwise, you are either yet to watch the Die Hard movies, or your mental.
Personally, I think its a need to watch the movies, rather than the latter. Your future posts'll be the judge, I guess.
Whos the 21st president..?
Says you. So what if they aren't in a real time format. Especially a "TV real time format". Not McClainian enough of a time frame, Im afraid. You you see, Die Hard and all subsequent sequels are movies (as in the M of "MVF") and there fore are compressed a little. 24 is ridiculous as the scenes of Jack Bauer taking a piss or shit or not featured....so don't be silly.
Yes. As he was the one doing the taking off of the cover, it, like the subsequent destruction of the bad guy passengers, was all down to him.
This makes little sense. Especially in context of the post you respond to. No offense meant. McClane would lost exactly NO love ones.
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hreadstone was started after the government heard of McClane's antics and they feared him. So they created a race of super-assassins in case McClane ever went completely rogue. /fact
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Indeed. It is unfortunate for McClane that when Marwan captures him (even though the fact that you have presented me with NO evidence that he is a good interrogator, and especially one on the level of Jack, tells me he can't even make it half way into Day 2, so he probably won't even get this far), he's not going to set up some elabrote James Bond death trap and give him a pill bottle to tell him where to go
(since if Simon didn't do that, that cop even stated that Simon would have won, so seriously if not for the fact that Simon is an absolute dumbass (and remember, this is the height of "McClane-level stuff "), McClane would have lost)
Marwan is going to capture McClane and shoot him in the face. McClane is hilariously out of his league
What is McClane level stuff ?
McClane's most dangerous plot was the shutdown of all the electricity on the eastern seaboard causing one nuclear meltdown
Bauer stopped a plot to meltdown all nuclear reactors in the US, and that wasn't even the whole plan
Not to mention he's stopped a coninential pandemic
When McClane saves a continent we'll talk.
I have seen the Die Hard films. That's why I can compare. Where does your 24 expertise come from? Total hypocrisy
So we can allow the universe to give McClane luck powers, but if we don't see Jack run out of stamina, it's bad writing. Oncce again, total hypocrisy. And sorry, doesn't matter how ridiculous it is (about as ridiculous as a F-35 flying under a falling overpass for no reason ), That's how the show is. Events occur in real time
So you admit that the DH films take place over a longer period of time than a 24 episode (which is proven real-time), and thus admit that it takes McClane hours to kill the amount of assailants Jack can in 15 minutes. Okay
Have his loved ones ever been targeted because they (nothing to do with Jack) uncovered evidence linking to an international conspiracy?
Whats all this talk about Marwan capturing McClane?
Its a thread about Jack Bauer failing the DH gauntlet.
Besides Marwan would die and have an amusing quip laid at his body by a victorious McClane, if screen feats are anything to go by.
McClane interrogates Hans in DH1 (remember the scene where Paintball is mentioned?), Simon over the phone in DH3, gaining vital info that would go on to their respective asses getting killed up. If your implication is that McCalne cannot torture someone to gain info, I'd say you were speculating.
Just like you are saying that Marwan would be able to shoot McClane in the face. You ignored my previous perfectly good explanation that there may be many factors that would prevent that or prevent McDeath. (McDeath: happening once, not at least three times like with Bauer)
Well whos to say that if the Grubers, or any of the others had lived (espcially with their ill gotten power and finacial gains, that they wouldnt have done something on a continental level had McClane not stopped them...most were international operators. And that guy from DH4.0 probably had the capability to have messed with world level systems, himself.
If its trouble: McClane solves it. You couldn't blame him, if a thing of that magnitude hasnt arrived directly at his door yet.
"Films" being the key word. "Movie VS forums"
Nope. No hypocrisy...its all about individual character attributes. If Bauer was exactly the same as McClane, did everything as McClane did, your thread would have been even more pointless.
The reason it flew under the overpass was to get at McClane.
nope. Nothing of the sort. DH2. Nuff said.
Well kind of...Yes. In DH1 and DH4.0 members of his family were targeted by international groups...and McClane saved 'em..
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He is capable of doing it, because he is more intelligent than Simon, both in planning (His plan was far more complex (and destructive: as in NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST destructive) than Simon's rinky-dink robbery plot) and cunning (NOT telling allowing those who have no use for him to die in an elaborate James Bon- no, scratch that, Dr. Evil slow elaborate death trap ANDgiving the hero evidence that allows them to know his direct location for absolutely no reason but for pure giggles.Before McClane looked at the pill bottle the cop even told McClane that it was over and that Simon won. McClane only found out their location through the pill bottle.
So really, if Simon was not stupid, he would have won. So McClane couldn't even stop a plot of Simon's caliber, since Simon's defeat completely relied on him being stupid (and it was stupidity, because he had no reason to do it, but unreasonable pride, which, a grand total of...let me calculate here...NONE of Bauer's foes have, ESPECIALLY Marwan), so if he fails at even stopping that plot, how's he going to even hope to accomplish stopping Day 4's plot against actual terrorists. It's amazing what happens when you actual watch the material instead of making baseless accusations of your bias
Matter of fact, I'm going to love him in Day 3. He's going to crash in on one of Saunder's couriers and get infected and die horribly
But Jack's taken on far worse threats. This has been proven
-Assassination of the president
-Nuclear bomb in LA/ WWIII with Middle East (which he stopped BY HIMSELF)
-Continental Pandemic unless POTUS gives into terrorist demands
-Execution of SecDEf on live internet broadcast/Meltdown of every nuclear reactor in the US/Bombing of Air Force One/Nuclear Bomb in NYC
-Terrorist siege of airport/Nerve gas attack on a shopping mall, hospital, and natural gas pipelines(which would kill tens of thousands)/ POTUS trying to kill him,( including trying to shoot him down with a F-35, which Jack outsmarts (and doesn't require the pilot to be a dumbass and if you honestly think that the best position that pilot could have been in to shoot McClane was under a falling overpass, then ))/ never gassing submarine to use to launch Trident missiles at US (Yes all of that in one day)
-Terrorist suicide bombing on buses/SIX suitcase nukes
-Genocidal African dictator who has tech than can control the infrastructure threatening POTUS to withdraw peacekeeping troops or else he will blow the main tank of a pesticide plant, killing tens of thousands/Rogue PMC threatening to launch Missiles loaded with a pathogen at the US unless POTUS gives into demands/ PMC consortium threatens to start WWIII (Yes all of that in one day)
If for some completely OOC reason he left McClane in a Austin-Powers-death trap and gave him evidence bluntly telling him of his location, then sure, but like I said, OOC, as in NOT GONNA HAPPEN
Given that he eventually gave himself up at the end out of pure stupidity and thus McClane didn't even defeat him, that's not really much of a feat
There is absolutely no basis for it whatsoever, so don't try to say that just because he has feats that imply it, he can do it, because then I can argue that just because Bauer has feats that imply it, he can launch a Ford
...Dude..just stop. You are reaching. There is nothing to suggest Simon or Hans could operate on that level. And definitely not the massive Day 4 plot level either
Total hypocrisy!! So if McClane can't take on greater threats, he's still that good based on what he's done to lesser threats (AND ONCE AGAIN, IF NOT FOR SIMON BEING AN IDIOT MCCLANE WOULD HAVE LOST), but if Bauer can easily take on greater threats, then he can't take on lesser threats? WTF logic is that?
So you admit Bauer has loads more feats which make him a far better character? Good
You honestly believe that the best position that pilot could have gotten in to shoot at McClane was under the falling overpass he was stuck on? Is that seriously the biased logic you are operating under?
Day 6 blows DH 2 out of the water. DH 2 just blows Day 6 while Day 6 watches Sportscenter.
So his loved ones are a bunch of damsels in distress? Jack's loved one was a ruthless FBI agent who uncovered a conspiracy on her own because she actual is a respectable woman with a respectable profession
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I also forgot to add. Does McClane have any feats suggesting he can recover from heroin withdrawal in 2 hours? Because if not, he's not making it anywhere past mid-Day 3
Remember he accomplished all the feats of DH3 with a monster hangover combined with excessive pill-taking. We've discussed the McClane constitution before Sadako, how could you forget?
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Who is his smartest opponent? Thomas Gabriel? Because....Marwan outranks Gabriel massively in the complex plan department. Many of Bauer's other enemies (Max, Beirko, etc.) also develop complex plans on the fly that make Simon (whose plan McClane couldn't even solve) look like a gnat in comparison.
Bierko is the kind of guy who, when seeing he's down to one can of nerve gas and the law hot on his trail, improvises to use it gas a docked submarine and launch missiles at the US in revenge. That's the level of guys Bauer deals with. McClane has never faced enemies that dangerous and would get WTF PWNed in seconds
Because it proves that John is a horrible counterterrorist who can't even solve something like Simon's plan, and thus can not hope to solve Marwan's plan (not that he'd even make it that far)
Simon pwned himself because he arrogantly (and it was nothing but arrongance) slipped up
Bauer will do absolutely fine. He's taken on enemies of greater quantity than Han's, Stuart's, Simon's, or Gabriel's mercenary teams in literally 20 minutes, has durability far in excess of McClane, has taken on plots far more complex and dangerous than any McClane's had to face, and, let's not forget, Simon will be actively giving Jack the evidence. Note than unlike McClane who just happened to spot the address by chance (do some research and rewatch the scene if you don't believe me ), Bauer would have actively starting scanning the bottle as soon as Simon gave it to him
WHAT?? Wow dude, your bias is blinding your common sense. These are his feats, just as if this were any other fight on this forum. These feats prove that he can easily win every DH scenario. The fact that you want to ignore them (and the fact that it is necessary for you to gimp Bauer by not recognizing them) proves that Bauer will emerge victor 4/4 (where as McClane may emerge victor...1.5 out of 8..maybe) and that you have resorted to bottom-of-the-barrel tactics because you absolutely no evidence to refute this
How is that irrelevant? Is this not about Bauer facing McClane's enemies? I'm so so sorry that I have not only proven that since Simon slipped up so terribly with McClane, there's no reason to suggest he won't do the same with Bauer, since that's what he's shown to do onscreen, and you can not ignore that[b], but that McClane couldn't even solve Simon's plot without Simon slipping up due to sheer stupidity, so he can't handle any of Bauer's much more complex plots
Indeed sir
Note how these two things contradict each other
Wow dude you are really reaching! McClane was ****ing trapped on the edge of that overpass and the pilot could have easily flown ahead "at that specific time"
Unimpressive. Bauer could replicate it easily. The multiple people he has killed in explosions suggest he can replicate it. I mean, just like Simon and Hans, nothing suggests that he can't right
One was a highly experienced FBI agent
The other spent the night getting teabagged by Justin Long
Gotta give Bauer credit:
As TV villains go, his opponents were decent.
But most of this boils down to this:
Bauer lacks the credentials of being McSuperhumanly resistant to damage and as lucky/intuitive as McClane. Bauer might not have made it off of the roof or the out of the vent. And almost certainly not out of the Boardroom, and definitely not the whole movie.
If your argument is that Bauer could replicate McClane's moves then whats the point..? Peewee Herman could try to do everything that McClane did if he studied Die Hard enough, but since Peewee would lack the attributes, he'd fail.
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WTF does that mean. Bierko, who was only a secondary villain compared to Jack's main nemesis that day, the POTUS, makes Simon look like a fool in terms of intelligence and planning. And McClane would curl in a fetal position if he had to take on Marwan. That's the thing about TV characters. They have a lot more feats
Has taken on far more opponents, far worse damage, and snuck through an air vent once undetected to rescue a hostage, so no}
The movie probably wouldn't have lasted that long, but because Bauer would have killed them all way faster than it took John "Sit down to cry" McClane
The point of this thread is can Bauer survive the Die Hard films. Since Bauer can replicate his feats, which allowed him to survive those films, he can easily do so as well. Sadly for McClane, he makes it maybe a few hours, before he has to take a time out to cry to a fat cop, which, considering how shit works on 24, would have allowed the terrorists to detonate a nuke because McClane didn't move fast enough
What the **** are you trying to say?
That's a complete strawman argument you have to pull out your ass because you have no defense that Bauer can easily survive the DH movies, whereas McClane can't handle even 48 hours in the life of Jack
Well, your Marwan facing reaction remains speculation: As Marwan didn't/couldn't man up and Face McClane.
Which is doubley moot anyways, as that is off topic.
Nope. DH 4 feats more or less solo by themselves.
Nah. DH 4 feats more or less solo by themselves, but all four films (maybe the fifth one too) kinda make that supposition laughable.
So you'd have had Bauer take on Hans and his guys when they had their meeting with Takagi? He'd have been NAILED...!!! Remember that they were way better shots than the guys that Bauer faced particularly Karl, who at one point was actually able to hit something, as he proved when he shot McClane.. (Naturally McClane went on like the champ he is and proceeded to boss the joint.)
He was stressed about not ever seeing his family again.
Of course, Bauer never even cared?
Besides its film lore 101. First tears fall, the the bullets rain hard.
You never saw Ichi The Killer, I take it...
Karl was machine Gunning through that vent and all the bullets missed McClane. "His wings are like a shield of steel"..
McClane always moves at exactly the right speed at which it is required that one moves at in order to save good guys and violate the badguys horribly, with time left for witty quips to be committed too..
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"), McClane would have lost)
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), That's how the show is. Events occur in real time
Wow dude you are really reaching! McClane was ****ing trapped on the edge of that overpass and the pilot could have easily flown ahead "at that specific time" 
