Bauer gotten into how many gunfights compared to McClane? How many times has he been shot compared to McClane?
No
The fact that McClane allowed this to happen to him does not speak well of him
You mean "boss the joint", like the stuff that Jack does on an hourly basis? Yeah, real impressive
LOL. Only the weak cannon-fodder non-professional on 24 do that, and it usually ends up costing them their lives. Like I stated, McClane's working on 24 time, and in 24, taking time to lament your family=Time for a terrorist to detonate a nuke because you didn't move fast enough
Because he's a professional who knows what he's doing and often leaps directly into situations knowing full well he could die, but does it regardless to save lives, unlike McClane who has to be trapped in the building for him to intervene
Nothing Bauer couldn't do, since he's good at evading bullets (even better than McClane) and has proven feats in which he sneakily crawls through ventilation shafts to rescue hostages
Bauer does all of that too.....on an hourly basis. Thus McClane=Unimpressive
as in extermsive oral reconstruction with many 9mm beretta rounds? Yes. I agree.
No Im not and nah hes not. He'd have to team up with his son from Touch to stand even a slightly better chance.
McClane has Iron Man level feats. IE: Raptor Jets are both highly allergic to both.
Excuses excuses. But still they fail to mitigate to the point where Bauer is of McStatus..
they fail to prove he could get through the DH movies.
Although they do prove that Bauer can get through 24 in style.
How many shots as good as the ones McClane faced has he faced. Oh. None.
Yes. Search your McFeelings. You know it to be true.
Like allowing one's self to be tortured to death three times over 20 months?
Hmmm. for 20 months? Bosses by getting tortured to death?
Well when youre Mcclane you can do both, evidently.
Call it McMultitasking if you will..
Nope. He doesn't as proved in Dhs 2-4 (and looks like its the case in 5, so far)
One of the two times McClane was shot was by his own hand in an awesome move to take out the badguy..if you count the amount of bullets flying at him throughout that movie (And the others too) that missed, that leaves 1 bullet out of thousands upon thousands.
And he didnt die once.
Even if McClane dies in number 5, thats still an advantage of 1 over 3 that McClane has.
Not really. Its against TV villians/fodder. Not all the manner of Obstacles and nemesisisises that McClane faced. Irrevlevant anyhow, as these are the DH obstacle courses that Bauer faces.
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No, mean like capturing him (which Simon, a villain far less intelligent than Marwan did) and shooting him the face (which Simon, a villain far less intelligent than Marwan, didn't do). Oh yeah, Marwan won't do, he's not going to give McClane evidence leading to his exact location for shits and giggles. And since you have yet to provide me with nay proof that McClane can interrogate on the level of Bauer, McClane's definitely not lasting through that day, (not hat he'll make it that far, of course)
Yes you are, otherwise you wouldn't be trying to disregard them
Yes he is. It's the same reason Superman can run this same gauntlet with ease: He's taken on far worse opponents
i'd much rather team up with my physic son from a critically acclaimed television series than the oh-so-cleverly-named "Butterfingers" from the god awful monstrosity that was Hudson Hawk
you mean like the Raptor Jack outsmarted, saving not only himself but the 100 or so innocent passengers on board the plane he hijacked?
Oh, yeah. Jack actually had something to do with that, unlike McClane, who got stuck and was trapped before the pilot (who, like Simon, and Karl (who didn't shoot McClane in the face when he had the chance when he caught him by surprise, once again stuff you would know if you paid attention the film) is a complete dumbass, and far below any 24 villain's caliber) for no reason (and not to get a better angle shot, because in order for that to be true, it would have had to have been a better angle shot, which it wasn't. And anyone who thinks it was is a dumbass, like the pilot.) decided to fly under the falling overpass and of course get hit by flying debri.
You just keep on making them, Saddy.
AKA:
I am so afraid to watch the video because I know for a fact that it is a montage of Jack kicking so much ass that McClane would want to be his right one, and I would be forced to concede that Jack is a far better counterterrorist and all-around action hero
Jacks' taken on everything from devout Islamic terrorists to ex-special forces mercs to actual special forces mercs to FBI HRT teams to Secret Service motorcades to entire Consulates. You'd know if you watched the video you are so damn afraid to click on
Are you saying McClane wouldn't let himself get captured, because par Simon being a dumbass, McClane was pretty phucked at the end of Die Hard III. Of course one who paid attention to the film would know this
And reviving and running up a wall to snap a guys neck. And those were two separate occasions. The first time he was caught by bad guys who were attempting to get info out of him that would start WWIII. He pawned them all and then proceeded to do a wall-run neck snap, which is clearly displayed in the Video You Are Afraid To Watch. The second time he handed himself over the Chinese government and was tortured. Everything he does from 40:00-47:08 in the VYAATW (a video I myself made to compile all of his best feats so one (AKA you) could watch it without having to go through the entire show) he did THE DAY after coming back from China.
He sat down to take a break and cry. Jack NEVER does that, because it wastes time that could be used to save lives. He just sucks up the pain and moves on. Also, you are conceding that John has lower stamina than Jack, so conversely, Jack has higher stamina than john and thus should be completing this gauntlet far more efficiently than McClane
Really? I remember during that helicopter scene when McClane was bitching about how he was only supposed to pick up a kid and whine whine whine. That's all McClane does. That's half of his quips. Complaining about the situation. He's been forced into every situation he's been in:
DH1 just happened to be visiting Nakatomi Plaza that night DH2 just happened to be at that airport DH3 Simon specifically reached out to him for personal reasons. If Simon never involved him, his plan would have worked perfectly DH4 He was the closest person in the area who could pick up Justin Long
Jack's good enough to disarm opponents so he doesn't have to get forced into such a retarded situation
So what? Jack takes on terrorist compounds on an hourly basis.
McClane=Unimpressive
Because he never underwent the amount of duress nor the level of opponent that Jack did. You might as well be saying McClane can survive the surface of the sun because he has no screen feats saying he can't. you see how ludicrous your argument is?
Dude...just..stop
Indeed. FAR WORSE obstacles and nemeses. Speaking of which, how did you saying McClane was going to withdraw form heroin addiction in six hours out of pure force of will?
Indeed. Bauer will probably consider this a elementary school jungle gym compared the the stuff he takes on regularly
It doesnt matter....This isn't McClane runs the 24 gauntlet.
You accuse me of downplay....not gimping.
Depends if Karl has Kryptonite bullets or not, really..
McClane would then team up with that kid from the Sixth Sense so McClane would be able to have the kid see Bauer after he tried running the McGauntlet.
Well McClane outsmarts and destroys.
Oh I paid enough attention to the movie to realise that he made the mistake of making it personal. And it cost him. And he did try to shoot McClane.
Or do I...?
Fixed. I dont have to.
Even if he would allow him self to be captured (which judging by feats would be highly unlikely, he would not, by feats, take 20 months to killify those who would have done it.
Well since you went to the trouble...I will will watch that vid someday. But not til Ive watched all of the series.
It matters not. Superman was all fu**ed up after losing Jonathan Kent and Lois Lane. Yet you rated Superman as someone who would have pwned both Bauer and McClane.
Complaining then conquering (sometimes forgoing the complaining when neccessary) is the McClanian way.
Hey. Its a gift. He conquers all without prep.
Way cooler than having an task force do his homework for him.
Stupid ass jack who got captured and killed..
Never go full retard.
Box office disagrees.
He went through tonnes of duress.
He just didn't shit his pants.
McClane doesnt do hard drugs, and Heroin is not part of the DH gauntlet. but given how he kills legions of badguys whilst hungover, I'd say that he kills them all whilst going in search of some methadone, and an asprin for his McHangovers.
How do we know that Bauer can cope with the drinking that McClane does...?
'Hmmm, you see, Jack, I can call you Jack, right, or do you prefer Casper now? Anyhow, what you did wrong was not taking to the ventilation shafts, running in head first like an idiot gets you killed in one of my films; this isn't cable TV, pal."
Being about 2/3 through S1 of 24, I will say that there's a scene that involves Bauer behind the wheel of a van, plenty of bad-guys and there definitely wasn't any mass carnage, as would be expected when mixing the highly volatile combination of McClane+Vehicle+Villains, aka the MVV Factor.
ie no villains had the need to visit a proctologist to have fiery wreckage removed from their colons.
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Beucase he'd lose. I'm glads we agree on that
No. You are trying to use some crappy excuse that because it was on TV, it doesn't count,
I didn't see them in the first DH film anywhere, so I'll assume he doesn't...
He's definitely gonna be talking to that kid, considering he's dead from the 24 gauntlet
Bauer does it faster and better
And McClane couldn't even solve that plan, considering his only lead came from a medicine bottle that you just stated was a mistake to give to McClane. Marwan nor Beirko nor Max makes these mistakes
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As we can clearly see by the above post, Saddy is clearly wearing his brown pants in anticipation for the video, which he does not want to watch because he is horrified that he will be witnessing Jack be a total badass that McClane can only dream of. The fact that you have stooped down to IGNORING EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE proves how much you are afraid to admit how much Bauer pwns McClane in every aspect of life
Like the end of Die Hard 3?
Yeah you're right. They would have probably broke McClane after the first month
I don't see POTUS on that list....
Whcih would get him killed in the 24 verse
What prep do you think Jack has? There's a reason it's called 24
You mean the task force who rely on him to investigate and hunt down their leads?
.....resurrected from the dead, and then killed 8 people an hour and a half later, as shown in the VYAATW
Someone needs to tell that pilot that. And Simon. And Karl
Box Office also says Transformers: Dark of The Moon was the 5th highest grossing film ever. BO doesn't equal quality
Not the level Jack undertook
So he's not going to be able to go undercover with the Salazars? He can't even make it out of the first quarter of Day 3?
Overcame heroin addiction in 6 hours.....
Indeed he is. By the way, how many deaths can McClane come back from?
LoL, dude. If we were to condense all of McClane's feats/kills/action-scenes into one long snippet of carnage, he would also appear more bad-ass(is that possible?)outside of context, than in the actual full films.
Tell Bauer that McClane killed Renee Walker. McClane doesn't have a shot in hell of surviving
Bauer assaulted the Russian Embassy, killed the guards who happened to be ex-Spetsnaz (equalivant to the Rangers and Green Berets) and was about to kill the Russian diplomat and President Logan. Logan is so scared shitless to the point where he killed himself. Jack nearly caused a war on the scale of CoD: MW series. Jack killed those responsible for Renee's death included ripping the internal organs out of a man while he was still alive. Jack survived a bio-weapon attack as well. When has McClane killed or executed men in complete controlled calculated rage?
Jack's only equal is Tony Almeida and there is no way McClane can beat Tony.
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Bosses by getting tortured to death?
Dude...just..stop 
