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Originally posted by Mr Master
I could care less about "wiki" garbage,
or any handbook, and/or site of any kind that contradicts On Panel illustration/action/statements.

That aside, Marvel has depicted their Omniverse across many titles,
even artistically displaying it for us.

Marvel's Omniverse has also been literally entirely affected,
so, if you believe that "Wiki" nonsense then that means HOM Wanda tore down DC,
amongst others.

I don't believe that, I'm just saying how it will never fit.

Nah. This isn't Mxy/She-Hulk 4th wall comedy.

The Marvel Omniverse is simply all Marvel Universes, created by TOAA.

Simple.

Any other company can do whatever they want or go along with "Wiki."

Like I said, makes no difference concerning Marvel On Panel facts.


The wiki reference was to the cosmological definition of omniverse . Nothing to do with comics . I wouldn't dismiss it as mere nonsense , as mathematician Roger Penrose has written a book(The Road to Reality) discussing the concept . In fact I recommend that you should read it , since you are so deep into the Cosmic Genre of comics .

And why the sudden hostility ? Please tell me what exactly I did to warrant thine wrath(apart from discussing MJJ's abilities) , and I shalt respectfully apologize .

So , "Omniverse" in regard to Marvel(or comic book publishing companies in general) is simply a collection of all possible actualities written by their authors , right ?

So , can there be multiple omniverses , with regard to comics ?


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Originally posted by "Id"

Mental assault has always been the logical step in dealing with reality warpers.

Jim laughs at him and turns him into a cat to pet for the effort.
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Originally posted by "Id"

Mnn No.

You simply failed to provide any reason, as to why James would
thwart a mental assault by Franklin.

You haven't provided any reason, of any kind, why Franklin should be able to affect MJJ.

Oh wait that's right, he mind-raped Nathaniel Richards' so this means something.
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Originally posted by "Id"

And simply babbled to cover up,
your inability to refute the point.

There is a term for these kinds posts. Its called a Straw Man.

Good ol' gibberish. Every time you turn yourself on by trying to disrespect,
I'll call it what it is.

If you're going to persist vomiting this ill tone in here,
please, go away.

I'm here to debate, you disagree? Then do so with respect and reason if possible.

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I gave you my reason why I believe Franklin can't touch MJJ's mind.
That was the point of showing HOW FAST his warp spreads outward in all directions.
If his warp, starting at his brain, warped all of England in one swoop lasting a panel,
why would Franklin's brain be able to act faster than MJJ's?

I'm not saying Franklin's "mind-rape" would work one way or another,
but let's just say the count goes: 1-2-3 go:

MJJ's brain activates his warp ... Franklin shoots for MJJ's brain.

See, it can't be done, because they'll be issuing a thought simultaneously,
although MJJ's is automatic, MJJ plays with, in any way he chooses,
with what his mind does by it's very nature. (warp reality at an exponential expansion)


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Originally posted by TheGodKiller

The wiki reference was to the cosmological definition of omniverse
. Nothing to do with comics . I wouldn't dismiss it as mere nonsense ,
as mathematician Roger Penrose has written a book(The Road to
Reality) discussing the concept . In fact I recommend that you should
read it , since you are so deep into the Cosmic Genre of comics .

The term (Omniverse) was created by Mark Gruenwald who's a legend at Marvel comics.

I have no interest in anything Wiki says concerning info I could use
to debate on panel showings/statements.

Now, for the sake of general knowledge, Wiki is great!
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Originally posted by TheGodKiller

And why the sudden hostility ? Please tell me what exactly I did
to warrant thine wrath(apart from discussing MJJ's abilities) , and I
shalt respectfully apologize .

I thought you were trying to bait me by asking if MJJ could affect the "real world" ...
because Marvel uses the term Omnivrse and wiki says it's all companies and the RW.

Pardon me if that was not your aim.
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Originally posted by TheGodKiller

So , "Omniverse" in regard to Marvel(or comic book publishing
companies in general) is simply a collection of all possible
actualities written by their authors , right ?

So , can there be multiple omniverses , with regard to comics ?

thumb up Yes my friend.

That's exactly right.


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One more thing then , Can MJJ defeat Franklin , if the latter had the Life-force ?


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Also , while the term "omniverse" was apparently created by Mark Gruenwald , the concept itself was expanded upon by Roger Penrose in his book "The Road to Reality" . He also refers to it as the "omnium" .


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thumb up Sounds interesting. I'll look into it and give you my feedback.

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One more thing then , Can MJJ defeat Franklin , if the latter had the Life-force ?

If the Life-Force is truly the source of HOM Wanda's power, then no.

Because HOM-Wanda resurrected Jaspers, but also,
when we piece together what Wanda did, it is more elaborate than MJJ's feats.

Wanda not only remade 616 like MJJ did,
but she also simultaneously tore the entire Omniverse to pieces via the Chaos Wave subconsciously.

The more impressing thing is:

She consciously re-built the Omniverse to normal, also fixing 616,
while simultaneously rubbing out the mutant gene across nearly all
Timelines from 90% of the race.

I think less than 10 timelines were overlooked due to some stipulation.

Anyway, she did this all with a single thought, an uttered pharse.

Simply amazing.

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So, anything that can empower someone, to do this, > MJJ ... imo.


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And you just ruined it.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Mr Master
Jim laughs at him and turns him into a cat to pet for the effort.


Another Strawman.

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Originally posted by Mr Master

You haven't provided any reason, of any kind, why Franklin should be able to affect MJJ.

Oh wait that's right, he mind-raped Nathaniel Richards' so this means something.

Yeah Franklin has this ability called "Telepathy" (You should google it.)

Anyways when facing this ability "T-E-L-E-P-A-T-H-Y", if his foe does not have this thing called "mental shields" (Yeah google that too). Than you highly question its ability to repeal mental assaults, unless there an actual reason. Not some made up fanboy nonsense.


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Originally posted by Mr Master

Good ol' gibberish. Every time you turn yourself on by trying to disrespect,
I'll call it what it is.

If you're going to persist vomiting this ill tone in here,
please, go away.

I'm here to debate, you disagree? Then do so with respect and reason if possible.

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I gave you my reason why I believe Franklin can't touch MJJ's mind.
That was the point of showing HOW FAST his warp spreads outward in all directions.
If his warp, starting at his brain, warped all of England in one swoop lasting a panel,
why would Franklin's brain be able to act faster than MJJ's?

I'm not saying Franklin's "mind-rape" would work one way or another,
but let's just say the count goes: 1-2-3 go:

MJJ's brain activates his warp ... Franklin shoots for MJJ's brain.

See, it can't be done, because they'll be issuing a thought simultaneously,
although MJJ's is automatic, MJJ plays with, in any way he chooses,
with what his mind does by it's very nature. (warp reality at an exponential expansion)

Respect your argument? See now your just grasping at straws.

Hey guys, MJJ can repel telepathic assault because he warps reality. And thats because his reality warpings is projected from his mind!!!!
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Originally posted by "Id"

Another Strawman.

And more of nothing.
quote: (post)
Originally posted by "Id"

Yeah Franklin has this ability called "Telepathy" (You should google it.)

Anyways when facing this ability "T-E-L-E-P-A-T-H-Y", if his foe does not have this thing called "mental shields" (Yeah google that too). Than you highly question its ability to repeal mental assaults, unless there an actual reason. Not some made up fanboy nonsense.

Even more Nothing.
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Originally posted by "Id"

Respect your argument? See now your just grasping at straws.

Hey guys, MJJ can repel telepathic assault because he warps reality. And thats because his reality warpings is projected from his mind!!!!

Absolute nothingness. Hey, atleast you attempted to be funny,
and went out and searched for that right thumb clip to make your
humor more fascinating.

Way ta go but ...

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Come back when Franklin stops running away from a universal collapse.

"Telepathic attack" ... .. if it was that easy.

Funny, funny guy.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
And more of nothing.

Even more Nothing.

Absolute nothingness. Hey, atleast you attempted to be funny,
and went out and searched for that right thumb clip to make your
humor more fascinating.

Way ta go but ...

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Come back when Franklin stops running away from a universal collapse.

"Telepathic attack" ... .. if it was that easy.

Funny, funny guy.

Mr. M I accept your concession. MJJ does lack any mental guards to keep his mind from being assaulted by Franklin telepathy.


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"Id" ... You really are a funny guy thinking Franklin is simply going to shut down
MJJ's brain because he messed with Nathaniel Richards' mind.

The notion is hilarious and I've entertained it long enough.

So I've decided to show MJJ allowing himself to get pummeled,
an unbelievable beat-down really
by the Exiles.

Literally stated, they were basically blood-lust.

They crushed his head, Blink pierced his brain with a quill, they cut em in half, and on and on.

Saturnyne comes out with a Omniversal guardian weapon that blows out the soul from the body.
It's illustrated (on panel right below) Jaspers' essence separating from his body,
while the rest of him minus his skeleton disintegrates
. (this would include the brain)

Jaspers survives ... and owns all.

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Originally posted by "Id"

Yeah Franklin has this ability called "Telepathy" (You should google it.)

Anyways when facing this ability "T-E-L-E-P-A-T-H-Y", if his foe does not have this thing called "mental shields" (Yeah google that too). Than you highly question its ability to repeal mental assaults, unless there an actual reason. Not some made up fanboy nonsense.


What about his precog ? I have noticed that , that's an oft-overlooked ability on a number "Comicbook Versus" boards .


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MJJ wins


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Originally posted by Mr Master
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"Id" ... You really are a funny guy thinking Franklin is simply going to shut down
MJJ's brain because he messed with Nathaniel Richards' mind.

The notion is hilarious and I've entertained it long enough.

So I've decided to show MJJ allowing himself to get pummeled,
an unbelievable beat-down really
by the Exiles.

Literally stated, they were basically blood-lust.

They crushed his head, Blink pierced his brain with a quill, they cut em in half, and on and on.

Saturnyne comes out with a Omniversal guardian weapon that blows out the soul from the body.
It's illustrated (on panel right below) Jaspers' essence separating from his body,
while the rest of him minus his skeleton disintegrates
. (this would include the brain)

Jaspers survives ... and owns all.



continues below ... smile



No more nonsense about Jaspers' durability in any way shape or form. (including the brain)






You need to realize that psychic assault is not a pure biological assault. It carries astral physical properties as well.

Juggernaut is a perfect example, as his immortality allows him to regenerate even if his body is burned down to a skeletal frame. Yet he needs to wear his helmet, to actively guard against telepathic assault.

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What about his precog ? I have noticed that , that's an oft-overlooked ability on a number "Comicbook Versus" boards .


I've yet to mention it here, but a I often mention that little will go unnoticed against a precognitive-telepath.

So yeah, I agree precog is a heavily overlooked ability here on the forums. Its almost as useful as Cosmic Awareness.


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You need to realize that psychic assault is not a pure biological
assault. It carries astral physical properties as well.

Well if Blink frying his brain with her energy quill wasn't suffice,
aside from brain crushing and smashing by the others.

Saturnyne blew his essence out of his body, his organs including his brain were disintegrated.

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That's an astral & metaphysical assault no? On top of wiping out his power-source?

Yet, that didn't stop him.

Just sayin Id, forget about me for a sec, and enlist your truth,
surely from a reasonable point of view you must see,
that attacking JJ's brain is futile.
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Originally posted by "Id"

Juggernaut is a perfect example, as his immortality allows him
to regenerate even if his body is burned down to a skeletal frame.
Yet he needs to wear his helmet, to actively guard against
telepathic assault.

I know that and I agree with you totally concerning Juggy
and others under those circumstances.

But Juggy isn't surviving what MJJ withstood.
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Originally posted by "Id"

I've yet to mention it here,
but a I often mention that little will go unnoticed against a precognitive-telepath.

So yeah, I agree precog is a heavily overlooked ability here on the forums.
Its almost as useful as Cosmic Awareness.

When Cobweb (a master pre-cog) pierced into Jaspers' future,
while she managed to see the end result accurately, (she was convulsing from the effort)
she went comatose from the experience.

Space-Time is skewed, twisted and violent around Jaspers.

Looking into Jaspers' near/far future is basically looking a space-time that's engulfed in his warp,
because as time progresses, so does his warp.

That's a dangerous place to be trying to sneak a peek evidently.


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Fury reduced Jaspers to a charred fleshless corpse and Jaspers kept on strokin'. There's obviously a metaphysical aspect to Jaspers beyond his mind/body.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
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"Id" ... You really are a funny guy thinking Franklin is simply going to shut down
MJJ's brain because he messed with Nathaniel Richards' mind.

The notion is hilarious and I've entertained it long enough.

So I've decided to show MJJ allowing himself to get pummeled,
an unbelievable beat-down really
by the Exiles.

Literally stated, they were basically blood-lust.

They crushed his head, Blink pierced his brain with a quill, they cut em in half, and on and on.

Saturnyne comes out with a Omniversal guardian weapon that blows out the soul from the body.
It's illustrated (on panel right below) Jaspers' essence separating from his body,
while the rest of him minus his skeleton disintegrates
. (this would include the brain)

Jaspers survives ... and owns all.

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continues below ... smile
I know you think you've come across some huge breakthrough, but I would like to remind you that Jaspers was amalgamated with Fury at the time:
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"He doesn't think about the fact that he's different than he was":
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Considering Fury was virtually unkillable in a very literal sense, it's quite faulty to use durability feats that Jaspers accumulated while he was merged with Fury, imo. Let's stick with MJJ's feats alone.

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Fury reduced Jaspers to a charred fleshless corpse and Jaspers kept on strokin'. There's obviously a metaphysical aspect to Jaspers beyond his mind/body.
There's not, though. It was referenced (a few times) that Jaspers' mind is what warped reality--I'm guessing that's why Fury destroyed his brain at the end, as opposed to simply blasting the shit out of him.

If Frank shuts off MJJ's brain, he should logically lose his powers (no thoughts=no power)... And I've still yet to see any realistic/feat-based counter to this tactic from the Jaspers supporters, tbh.


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