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Who is truly the most Powerful Sith Lord?
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Sidious is superior in Sabers 19 14.07%
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Bane is superior in All Out 24 17.78%
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Bane is superior in Sabers 24 17.78%
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(Revenge of the Sith) Darth Sidious -vs- Darth Bane (Dynasty of Evil)
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Zamp
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Originally posted by ares834
Odan Urr? Rastka Lsu? Mara Jade? I can see the rest succesfully argued for but any of those three should be toast against RotS Sidious IMO.

I'll cede Raskta Lsu, but if Mara Jade came at Palpatine the way she did to Caedus, I think he'd go down hard.

Odan Urr has some impressive feats (that I'd have to go mining for, so I'll cede him too).


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Bladerunner is amazing. You must not have seen Director's Cut though.

Also, love Blax's anti-Ragnos rant.
After watching Confused Matthew's review on it, I'm making a point of seeing the Director's Cut. It'll be my fourth time watching Blade Runner, so if I'm not intrigued this time 'round, I'm giving up.


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I was never a fan.

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I'll cede Raskta Lsu, but if Mara Jade came at Palpatine the way she did to Caedus, I think he'd go down hard.


Fair enough.

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Statements made before the creation of characters with power that seriously questions Palpatine's status as the most powerful lose weight when such characters are introduced.


There really hasn't been any sith to question Palpatine's status as being the overall most powerful sith. There have been sith lords who surpassed him in certain areas of power (Nihilus, Kun, possibly Bane), but Palpatine has a greater range of power than any sith lord so far, and he had a greater effect on the force as a whole.

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I'll cede Raskta Lsu, but if Mara Jade came at Palpatine the way she did to Caedus, I think he'd go down hard.


Mara won her fight with Caedus because she was a far more skilled and smarter fighter than he was, which is not an advantage she will have against Palpatine. One thing that Plagueis trained Palpatine well in, was how to kill. Palpatine is more vicious, more faster, and far more powerful than Mara is.


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Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

Mara won her fight with Caedus because she was a far more skilled and smarter fighter than he was, which is not an advantage she will have against Palpatine. One thing that Plagueis trained Palpatine well in, was how to kill. Palpatine is more vicious, more faster, and far more powerful than Mara is.

Yep. Sidious the politician is a much more skilled, tactically aware, and brutal fighter than Caedus, who is known for is poor pain tolerance and complete unfamiliarity with battlefield situations.

I commend your well thought out and exhaustively sourced argument, and simply cannot find a single chink in its armor.


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I believe I shall henceforth refer to you as Scarecrow, because that was probably the worst strawman I’ve ever seen.

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I could condescendingly put it into pseudoformal notation; would that help?


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I could condescendingly put it into pseudoformal notation; would that help?


If your ability to condescend is as rusty as your ability to debate, probably not.

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I lol'd for real.

Bloodlusted, prepped Mara does not cede the advantages of being "more vicious, more faster[sic], and far more powerful" than Sidious.


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I lol'd for real.




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Bloodlusted, prepped Mara does not cede the advantages of being "more vicious, more faster[sic], and far more powerful" than Sidious.


Either I read that wrong or you wrote it wrong, because that looks terribly much like you saying "bloodlusted, prepped Mara isn't more vicious, faster, and powerful than Sidious."

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Either I read that wrong or you wrote it wrong, because that looks terribly much like you saying "bloodlusted, prepped Mara isn't more vicious, faster, and powerful than Sidious."

"does not cede the advantage of being" = "continues to be" = "is"

Bloodlusted Mara is "more vicious, more faster[sic], and far more powerful" than Sidious.


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Danke.
And based on what?

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More Vicious: (See cave fight)
More Faster: (See cave fight)
More Powerful: Given that this limits Palpatine to RotS feats, he's basically got Sithisis and RotS to draw from. Mara has her 3x force power bubble, cross-galaxy awareness (routine as a hand as well as her link w/Ben) and the whole manhandling a Skywalker descendant charism


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More Vicious: (See cave fight)


Palpatine slaughters a group of Gran Protectorate Senators, their guards, and women & children in Darth Plagueis.

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More Faster: (See cave fight)


Palpatine’s physical speed is comparable to Yoda’s own, beyond what can be perceived by Anakin, in excess of what Mace Windu can reproduce without Vaapad, and sufficient to slaughter two “celebrated swordsmen” of the Jedi Council before they can react.

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More Powerful: Given that this limits Palpatine to RotS feats, he's basically got Sithisis and RotS to draw from. Mara has her 3x force power bubble, cross-galaxy awareness (routine as a hand as well as her link w/Ben) and the whole manhandling a Skywalker descendant charism.


Palpatine’s galactic clairvoyance is displayed in Revenge of the Sith where he senses Anakin’s danger on Mustafar from Coruscant.

You need to substantiate why manhandling a Skywalker is a decisive advantage for Mara; Dooku did it to the Skywalker and Palpatine’s powers eclipse his.

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Palpatine slaughters a group of Gran Protectorate Senators, their guards, and women & children in Darth Plagueis.



Palpatine’s physical speed is comparable to Yoda’s own, beyond what can be perceived by Anakin, in excess of what Mace Windu can reproduce without Vaapad, and sufficient to slaughter two “celebrated swordsmen” of the Jedi Council before they can react.



Palpatine’s galactic clairvoyance is displayed in Revenge of the Sith where he senses Anakin’s danger on Mustafar from Coruscant.

You need to substantiate why manhandling a Skywalker is a decisive advantage for Mara; Dooku did it to the Skywalker and Palpatine’s powers eclipse his.

haven't read plageius yet

I said that I could argue in favor of Mara, not that I intend to.

I'll put up an actual (prepared) post at some point this weekbefore friday (it'll get its own thread, so we don't derail this one).


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  • your loss
  • Your fear is my ally
  • Your wish to protract your inevitable defeat amuses me but I am pleased that your a boy of your word

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  • your loss
  • Your fear is my ally
  • Your wish to protract your inevitable defeat amuses me but I am pleased that your a boy of your word

  • wut
  • you're as intimidating as bengay lube
  • you've never beat me


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  • exactly
  • Given that your anus is likely as large and hollowed as the cavern in which Caedus slayed Mara, your disregard for lube is unsurprising
  • quote:
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    I lol'd for real

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Zampano would you like me to report to Ushgarak for intimadating you?


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  • exactly
  • Given that your anus is likely as large and hollowed as the cavern in which Caedus slayed Mara, your disregard for lube is unsurprising


  • For all that you parade pictures of your "girlfriend" around online, you're awfully interested in the anuses (anii?) of the guys around you
  • Would Neph appreciate you coming on to me like this?
  • I'm not your type (my voice has dropped, bro)


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