While it would be nice to have the comics first, it's not even close to necessary. Young Justice doesn't have any problem with versions that don't match the comics. Heck, Batman Begins was not not based on the Batman of the time and Batman has a whole lot of versions, yet no-one says it's impossible to do him.
You act like it's so hard to do her consistently and do her justice... but, it's a movie. You pick one take, you stick with it, you make a good script, and you use it. Done. Rhe comics aren't nearly as different as you make ou eithert- Perez, Jimenez, Rucka, Simone, if I pick them up I clearly have the same characters. Ditto her from Waid's Justice League run or Kelly's or Morrison's or League of One.
If you can't figure out how to decide on a take of a character who has multiple, you have no business making a movie in the first place, because every movie has to decide on a take for their characters without exception.
Or Greg Rucka's. Heck, Rucka's done novels and comics, I'm sure he could do a script too! (If it'd be willing to),
Gail Simone, obviously, did do the animated DVD.
Hm, or for a non-WW writer, I bet John Rogers, who started as a screenwriter in addition to writing the Blue Beetle comic, could do a great job.
i don;t think they have... otherwise they would not have Chris Nolan still around..
not really a surprise.. WB trusts him wholeheartedly and should let him do what he does so they can create a shared universe starting with Man of Steel..
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True. Young Justice does do that well. I take that back then. You don't need that to happen in the comics before it happens in the movie.
I wasn't talking about the movie. I was talking about the comics. She's not written consistently in the comics. While Batman and Superman are not always written the same and have many different takes, they still have the basic traits that make them Batman and Superman (unless the story isn't in canon continuity). I feel Wonder Woman is almost completely written different through the DC universe. I feel that sometimes she doesn't even have her basic traits while being written. Maybe it's just me. Hopefully this changes with the current run. Though I haven't read it yet.
I never said it's hard to do her in a movie. I said that it won't be as easy as people think it would be. People seem to think her movie will automatically make half a billion just because it's Wonder Woman. It can definitely do well (maybe even make half a billion or more) but only if you advertise it right and do her justice (like Iron Man). She hasn't yet reached Batman and Superman status. Their movies can make at least a decent amount of money at the box office solely by selling the movies on their names.
If only that were true. Then WB wouldn't be so scared to just make it! I heard they had Joss Whedon on board to make it once, but he got fed up of them waiting to make a move on it.
Well seems to me like they're back to the drawing board then as far as a JL movie goes. Without even one big hit to back it up so far.
Drawing on the mega success of the Bale/Nolan franchise would have brought a JL movie forward and given it some good backing imo.
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I wonder how they will link all the movies together to build up, like the Avengers had Shield and Fury and the ending credits showing all the movies connected
Uh, other than her current run and Odyssey before it, I'd say this is very much not true. She's been fairly consist from the Crisis to Simone. Some variation, but not that huge. This is very much a thing that people act like is this huge issue with her... but I question whether most of these people read much WW.
I mean, I'm talking roughly a 30 year period where aside from some experimentation (which *every* character has) she's written fairly consistently, outside of some annoying bits like her overly-rotating supporting cast (seriously DC, tell new writers they can't just scrap everyone from the previous writer's supporting cast).
And, general note: One doesn't get things more consistent by re-inventing things and doing a new take rather than working with what you've got. It leads to this:
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I'm pretty sure people said "And make it a good movie" about a half-dozen times.
Basically people are saying there's a two step process: "Make the movie about Wonder Woman," and "Make it good."
And the main trip-up that keeps occurring is people keep on trying to not do 1, in a way that violates 2 as well.
Well, yea. People have been emphasizing that too.
The main problem is that while we're focusing on "take what's there and do it well, ala several times it's been done well before," DC seems to focus on, "Ok, what we need to do to make Wonder Woman do well is do something other than Wonder Woman!" rather than on focusing on assembling a team that can simply do WW well.
if truly The Man of Steel starts their shared universe, I have got to believe that at some point during the film, unless they wait and its a post credit scene, their will be something regarding Batman or Flash at the very least
But when fighting his physique is covered (and enhanced) by the suit so your claim that his physique adds to his demeanour when fighting is a contradiction. We might see his physique when training but as soon as that suit goes on it's meaningless when beefing up his image. You couldn't see his pecs and abs after putting the BB and TDK suit after all. In fact Bale looks quite gaunt at times as Bruce Wayne, especially in the face.
Not quite sure with the Gollum example as that's a readily identifiable quote and is repeated often but not made fun of. What is made fun of more is the actual performance of an actor and how they perform in a particular scene, like if an actor delivers a really bad accent/voice. They don't laugh at Bale because of what he says, it's how he says it.
I can't deny it has because it has generated excitement but even Nolan has fallen into some of the same mistakes as the previous franchise and did many things similar - but doesn't get taken to task for it. A reboot would hopefully put Batman in a thinner, more comic-book oriented suit and rely on psuedo-science to make it work, or keep his identity secret, or have an actual Batmobile, or skip love stories (and saving girlfriends), or have him be a martial arts master, or a great detective etc. I could go on but I believe we've discussed this before so...
Who says they will link all the movies together just because they're doing a shared universe? There's a possibility they won't connect the movies at all (or at best just a few names and locations being mentioned) until the JL movie. Kinda like how Alien and Predator both existed in the same universe but weren't linked at all in any way until the Alien vs Predator movie came out (yes, the movie sucked but I'm trying to think of a similar example here). So people might not know these movies exist in the same universe until the JL movie shows they do.
It would make a lot more sense if they do this. How exactly would you set up for a Batman movie in a Superman movie? Or set up for a Flash movie in a Batman movie? I don't think they would go the same route Marvel did and do that even if they are doing a shared universe. And in my opinion, it's better off this way. Marvel crossovers are easier to do because the characters were created by the same group of writers and are all mostly found in the same location (NY) while DC characters were created separate and are spread further apart from each other (Gotham, Central, Metropolis, Star City, etc.).
I'm also tired of all the rubber/armor suits we get in live-action. It's time to finally do a good Batman costume on the big screen. It shouldn't be that hard. The fan film City of Scars did it great so I don't see why Hollywood can't do it. If they really think it would look that silly (which doesn't make sense since Batman spends most of his time in the dark and you wouldn't notice the tights that much), just get rid of the underwear and everything will be fine. Or just do the costume from Arkham Asylum and Arkham City. It's the costume from the comics but with a bit of touch to it.
They've already said that Superman would be the anchor movie.
Nolan himself admitted that the world his Batman existed in had no place for Superman. He'd have made wholesale changes himself AND would have had to direct a JLA movie himself to get that kind of backing, imo.
I hadn't even heard that. I was talking more about how he said Batman wouldn't be as dark as he was, and so on. He didn't get the whole "Bruce Wayne is the identity" thing.
First off Alien vs Predator is a bad example imo not only because it wasn't that good, I actually kinda liked it myself but mostly for nostalgic purposes, but because when these movies were first created they had no intention of a shared universe. That came way later after fans wanted it because of an Alien Skull prop in the second Predator's movie which was just thrown in there for fun.
That spawned the comics, the game which led into the movies. This kind of showed to as they were basically trying to shoehorn in two separate Universes into one movie.
Now while some would say the time and effort given to showing that the Avengers were a combined universe detracted from the overall story for the individual movies it served to help create a really great one.
Showing them as a shared Universe throughout helped add some depth to the Avengers movie personally. People like Agent Choulson, items like the Cosmic Cube helped link the world a lot better. Howard Stark in Captain America was a brilliant move imo.
Not to say it has to be this way but I do think that marketing choice by Marvel did help give the Avengers movie and the fans a little extra which the JL movie could use.
You could possibly link them all together by say Cademus considering them a threat and deciding to build a super weapon (Doomsday/Amazo) to help the world should these super gods go bad except it gets out and can't be stop. The linkage in every movie could be a Cademus Agent being shown doing something taking something. Superman's DNA or Kyrptonian Tech, GL's bad guy's power source, Wonder Woman DNA Sample, piece of Batman tech or Batman Villain tech, Flash DNA sample stuff like that. Maybe not even that straight forward.
Or you could go a very low brow type of thing and just include a teaser trailer at the end of every movie for the next JLer individual movie coming out.
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