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They still conquered/killed the multiverse by killing Eternity alone. Do you think that was intended to "multi"Eternity, and the writers simply didn't tell us?

Makes sense, I suppose.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
I've always said that 616 Eternity/Infinity possess the power
of the infinite prime Multiverse of alternate Universes.

That's what all those scans represent. (Dormy/Entropy-Genis/Strange)

It is true,
Eternity/Infinity's consciousness does span the entirety of the prime Multiverse.

This is the perfect example:

This is Earth-82432 (an alternate entire Universe/Eternity)

When it's form (physical Universe-82432) was nullified,
Strange/Jean/Surfer were going to attempt to re-create the physical universe that was there.

This Alternate Eternity (definitely NOT 616 - definitely NOT the Multiverse)


not THE multiverse. A multiverse. each eternity in that famous page from that ff annual equals a mutliverse. the 616 eternity represents OUR multiverse, while the 'dead' eternity represents a 'dead' ALTERNATE multiverse.

all the dialogue fits.... especially THIS part:

quote:
spoke as though it was the Multiverse, made up of nigh-infinite Universes.


imo that's because he WAS a multiverse unto himself.

quote:
"Eternity spoke of infinite universeS beyond this.


again, that fits perfectly with what i've been proposing. he WAS referencing other eternities. just that each one makes for a multiverse.

with the way you're defining it, it seems to me like you are retroactively using ideas about the cosmology that didn't exist at the time. in particular the notion of a shared consciousness with a 'totlality' that represents ALL eternities in the multiverse.


quote:
This does not mean they share the same form,
as in, non on them embody the Multiverse entire,
otherwise the Multiverse would've been erased when this Alternate got rubbed out,
likewise Thanos would've replaced the actual Multiverse instead of just the 616 Universe.


precisely. thanos ruled only the 616 eternity and the multiverse that made IT up. it why the IG will work anywhere in the 616 eternity (like that dimension magus was in) but will NOT work (imo) in a TRULY alternate version of the 616 multiverse.

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My point is my friend, that when Eternity/Infinity speak, (from 616 to whichever)
it seems they can take on a Multiversal tone due to the seeming fact
that they are all one and the same consciously speaking.

Imo. smile


it just feels.....needlessly complex to me is all.


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Leo, if you wanna discuss this, let's refrain from comments such as these.

I already told you I understood what you said and I even said I like it in the vs thread.

I don't agree with it doesn't mean it's beyond my comprehension.


huh? it was a legit question. it wasn't meant as an insult in any way. c'mon, you know i'm more clear than that when i take a shot at someone. big grin

i'm ACTUALLY not understanding what doesn't fit in your mind as regards my theory. every single scan you've shown actually supports what i've been saying, but clearly you see a stumbling block in the theory that i am missing and i legitimately want to know what it is.

why are you so positive that 616 eternity is NOT a multiverse and instead is limited to repping just a SINGLE universe?


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Originally posted by Galan007

They still conquered/killed the multiverse by killing Eternity alone.

Do you think that was intended to "multi"Eternity,
and the writers simply didn't tell us?

They did tell you it was perhaps the most powerful entity in the Multiverse"

Aside from throwing in the term "Multiverse" almost ten times,
and dialogue referencing 100's and even millions of UniverseS.

But if yall stick that onto the 616 Universe
that goes overlooked.

That aside Galan ...

There is no "multi" Eternity that I know of.
That was Captain Universe that labelled All of Eternity as "multi" ...
but the very same splash page calls "multi" Eternity ...
just "Eternity" ... and just ... "The Universe"

That tells me that 616 Eternity
is the power behind the infinite Multiverse of alternate universes,
due to the fact
that it is the center/beginning from which everything blossoms in Space-Time.

So no "multi" ...

Just Eternity. One for the Prime Reality,
and one for every alternate Reality that derives from 616,
which includes diverged/parallel & past/future Timelines
which in-turn makes the entirety of the Multiverse.

Now here's the twist.

From all I've read and understand,
616 Eternity/Infinity have been portrayed as the center of all creation,
the location from which everything sprigs forth,
the starting point of the Big Bang.

So while there is NO on panel or bio that literally states that 616
Eternity is greater than the other Eternitys, because we know about
616 Eternity and its significance to even the Omniverse plus what
has been shown on panel of its true power, it stands to reason that
616 Eternity > all other Eternitys. Or rather perhaps 616 Eternity =
the power of the Multiverse. (this includes Infinity of course)

So while they may posses this status/power,
still being the embodiment of the 616 Universe alone,
but connected intrinsically to all other Alternates as one consciousness,
being their father/creator still attached to the umbilical cord (Nexus) sortaspeak.

Imo.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
They still conquered/killed the multiverse by killing Eternity alone. Do you think that was intended to "multi"Eternity, and the writers simply didn't tell us?

Makes sense, I suppose.


but my problem is that is somehow assumes the raeder knows about this multi-entity to begin with and moreover, a multi-entity is never mentioned in any way. the assumption that 616 eternity is a multiverse unto itself clarifies that issue and comes with the bonus prize of being supported--no interpretation or prior knowledge necessary--on panel.

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My friends, with this new mid-2012 logic yall are introducing we'll
never know when a Marvel story pertains to the 616 Universe/Eternity,
or the Multiverse that houses the 616 Universe/Eternity.


confused

there arn't 2 eternities..... there is only one--the 616 eternity. that eternity embodies a multiverse that houses the 616 universe.....

as for the story--any story that is set in marvel is understood (unless otherwise stated) to be taking place in the 616 universe. i'm not sure how the 2 could be confused at all.


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^^^ Thanks Mike, I'll read those relevant issues and get back to ya.


quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas

not THE multiverse. A multiverse.
each eternity in that famous page from that ff annual equals a mutliverse.
the 616 eternity represents OUR multiverse,

while the 'dead' eternity represents a 'dead' ALTERNATE multiverse.

all the dialogue fits.... especially THIS part:

I don't think I can debate this any further.

My friend, you're taking my evidence and twisting the text and context.

No where in that FF Annual does it even remotely suggest
each of those Eternities is a "Multiverse"
in fact, it's quite clear they were a Universe each:

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The 'dead' Alternate Eternity is Earth-82432 (Korvac's What If) Reality.

It's not a Multiverse, it definitely a single Universe that was nullified on panel.
quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas

imo that's because he WAS a multiverse unto himself.

I don't see how you see that,
when the entire Alternate Universe that is Eternity-82432
clearly said it was ONLY an "Aspect" of a "Totality" ...

If the "Aspect" is dead ... and you say it WAS a multiverse unto itself,
then what "Totality" is it referring too?

it can't be itself, because itself is the ENTIRE 82432-Universe Korvac erased.

+++++

Logic dictates
this Alternate Eternity is speaking about the Multiverse of alternate Universes + the Prime reality,
when it said "infinite universes that comprise my Totality" ...

Which leads to the obvious good friend,
and that is All Eternity/Infinitys share the same consciousness.

Therefore all can speak as though all are all (the Multiverse)
and all know what all know.
quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas

again, that fits perfectly with what i've been proposing.
he WAS referencing other eternities.
just that each one makes for a multiverse.

He did was referencing other Eternitys,
where you read he included those Eternitys were Multiverses alludes me.
quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas

precisely. thanos ruled only the 616 eternity and the multiverse that made IT up.
it why the IG will work anywhere in the 616 eternity (like that dimension magus was
in)

but will NOT work (imo) in a TRULY alternate version of the 616 multiverse.

That's your opinion that Magus was in a Universe MANY UniverseS away
yet still inside 616.

The Nexus of Realities, or the CrossRoads (Dimensional Corridor)
leads to other UniverseS outside 616.

That's why any argument against that fails.

Galactus and friends would not have needed to take that treacherous road
to reach a pocket within the 616 Reality.

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As for the IG not working outside 616, besides the Magus on panel feat,
the gems worked just fine not just in another Universe ... but another Multiverse.
quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas

it just feels.....needlessly complex to me is all.

To me it's simple.

Look at it this way.

The Multiverse is an infinite spectrum.

At the center of this spectrum is the prime Reality Eternity-616 (Man's Universe or the Earth Universe)
and surrounding 616 are the Infinity of Alternate Eternitys/Universes as well.

(All of these Universes (616 & Alternates) share the same 3 Spatial Dimensions
and obey roughly the same natural laws.

Let's call that bunch the "center group" ...

Now ...

As you move away from that "center group" you bump into OTHER UniverseS,
which still have 3 Spatial Dimensions but where natural laws may be different.
Like the Negative Zone or the Reality of Arkon's Pole Machus amongst others.

Now ...

As you move further outward you bump into "Pocket UniverseS."
These Realities are home to the Patheons as well as Demons like Mephisto,
also Mystical deities and entities of significant power.

(you can access these realm easily via inter-dimensional portals but that doesn't mean they're next door.)

Now ...

As you move even further outward you bump into other UniverseS
with a # of Spacial Dimensions which is senseless. These Realities looked warped to 3 D senses.
Out here there's Universes like:
Tiboro's Sixth Dimension,
Tazza's Domain
or Nightmares' Dream-verse
and even Dormy's Dark Dimension.

All these Universes are subject to a commonality of concepts.

Hence ... the Prime Multiverse that houses the 616 Eternity/Universe.

+++++

That's about it, that's where the Prime Mutliverse in it's entirety ends,
and where the rest of the Omniverse begins.

According to Dr Strange's explanation on panel with artistic images of this explanation.


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Originally posted by leonidas

why are you so positive that 616 eternity is NOT a multiverse

and instead is limited to repping just a SINGLE universe?

I told ya I enjoyed your theories true debater but I gotta go with Marvel on this one:

If you have definitive Marvel explanations that counter all I'm about to post,
please good friend post the New established Handbook descriptions,
cause all the New Handbooks I have up to 2011 haven't changed anything.

Anyway ...

This is from the Marvel official Handbook 2006:

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362745_MU_bio.jpg]

"A Universe is a SINGLE-Dimension Reality, such as Earth 616,
the Mainstream Marvel Universe.

The Multiverse ...
is the collection of Alternate Dimensions with a similar nature and Universal hierarchy.

Earth 616 and Alternates seen in the Marvel Universe
(which include being like the Watcher, Eternity etc) are withIN the SAME Multiverse.

Realms LACKING this hierarchy of Power are OUTSIDE of the Multiverse.

The Realms with a Multiverse are divided into Divergent Earths,
who share a common history and Diverge at a specific point,

and Alternate Earths,
who are similar, but posses many inherent differences
"


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That says it all, but the 2008 GLossary of definitions is more technical:


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Earth 616: (616 Universe)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362746_MU_bio15.jpg]

"Core Continuum designation given to the Prime Earth of the Marvel Universe,
Reality from which most Alternate Earths derive
"


......................................................................................................


Multiverse: (group of alternate/divergent/parallel UniverseS)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362747_MU_bio3.jpg]

"Group of Alternate UniverseS containing the same Hierarchy,
including Eternity, Infinity and the Watchers
"


......................................................................................................


Alternate Earth: (Alternate Universe)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362748_MU_bio2.jpg]

"A World resembling Earth which coexist with Earth-616 in another Dimensional Space"


......................................................................................................


Divergent Earth: (Divergent Universe)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362749_MU_bio14.jpg]

"Alternate Earth which was once parallel to Earth-616,
until a change altered how it's history unfolded
."


......................................................................................................


Parallel World: (Parallel Universe)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362750_MU_bio7.jpg]

"A World that exists in another Dimension
whose Reality never diverged from but is parallel to Reality Earth-616
"


=======================================


My friends ...

... the term ... "Dimension" ... in Marvel,
stands for "Universe/Realm containing Space, Time, Matter and Energy"

[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12362797_MU_bio13.jpg]



On Panel just as well:

[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12362799_DImensions_are_Universes.jpg]


......................................................................................................


Now a "Pocket Dimension" is different than an actual "Dimension" ...

... it is NOT an entire Universe like the one Magus was in Many Universes away:

Pocket Dimension: (pocket universe)

[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12362800_MU_bio8.jpg]

"Universe whose Spatial size is limited."


=======================================


So as you can see,
Earth-616 (or the 616 Universe/Eternity) is a SINGLE Reality, nothing more.

The Multiverse is made up of Alternate/Divergent/Parallel entire standalone UniverseS.

You're a reasonable man, but I'll respect your opinion regardless.


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^ Hmmm? I remember at one time in a forum were this was also debated on the nature of Eternity.Simply put, those scans aren't really wrong in anything what was stated.Its basically how we defined what or how a Multiverse function.I remember the FFAnnual2001 were Earth-616 was regarded as the "Prime Reality".The word "Prime" itself could mean "First" or "Most Important".But in this case, both can be use to define Earth-616.

Simply put, Eternity-616 is only a singular Universe and is only one of the entirety of Multi-Eternity.But lets label it as the most important of Multi-Eternity's entirety.I even once heard that destroying Earth-616 would also mean destroying the Multiverse itself.Only problem is, I've never seen this stated on panel in a comic.At least this is what I got from the OHOTMU Guide to the Alternate Universes and FFAnnual2001.As for the Defenders arc, I simply interpreted it as Dormammu and Umar pawning 616 Eternity.And after doing so, 616 Eternity's blood acted as a doorway for Dormammu to go inside Multi-Eternity and to finally usurp power from the abstract entity of time.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
^^^ Thanks Mike, I'll read those relevant issues and get back to ya.


If you really want to reconcile it, you could say that there are many billions of light-years of space filled with stars, planets, and galaxies, then you get to the Rip, and the energy/torn space-time in it goes on forever, thus making the universe "infinite" as the Rip is part of it.

But if you ask me that sounds like reaching.


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Originally posted by Mr Master
I told ya I enjoyed your theories true debater but I gotta go with Marvel on this one:

If you have definitive Marvel explanations that counter all I'm about to post,
please good friend post the New established Handbook descriptions,
cause all the New Handbooks I have up to 2011 haven't changed anything.

Anyway ...

This is from the Marvel official Handbook 2006:

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362745_MU_bio.jpg]

"A Universe is a SINGLE-Dimension Reality, such as Earth 616,
the Mainstream Marvel Universe.

The Multiverse ...
is the collection of Alternate Dimensions with a similar nature and Universal hierarchy.

Earth 616 and Alternates seen in the Marvel Universe
(which include being like the Watcher, Eternity etc) are withIN the SAME Multiverse.

Realms LACKING this hierarchy of Power are OUTSIDE of the Multiverse.

The Realms with a Multiverse are divided into Divergent Earths,
who share a common history and Diverge at a specific point,

and Alternate Earths,
who are similar, but posses many inherent differences
"


=======================================


That says it all, but the 2008 GLossary of definitions is more technical:


=======================================


Earth 616: (616 Universe)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362746_MU_bio15.jpg]

"Core Continuum designation given to the Prime Earth of the Marvel Universe,
Reality from which most Alternate Earths derive
"


......................................................................................................


Multiverse: (group of alternate/divergent/parallel UniverseS)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362747_MU_bio3.jpg]

"Group of Alternate UniverseS containing the same Hierarchy,
including Eternity, Infinity and the Watchers
"


......................................................................................................


Alternate Earth: (Alternate Universe)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362748_MU_bio2.jpg]

"A World resembling Earth which coexist with Earth-616 in another Dimensional Space"


......................................................................................................


Divergent Earth: (Divergent Universe)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362749_MU_bio14.jpg]

"Alternate Earth which was once parallel to Earth-616,
until a change altered how it's history unfolded
."


......................................................................................................


Parallel World: (Parallel Universe)

[img=http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/12362750_MU_bio7.jpg]

"A World that exists in another Dimension
whose Reality never diverged from but is parallel to Reality Earth-616
"


=======================================


My friends ...

... the term ... "Dimension" ... in Marvel,
stands for "Universe/Realm containing Space, Time, Matter and Energy"

[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12362797_MU_bio13.jpg]



On Panel just as well:

[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12362799_DImensions_are_Universes.jpg]


......................................................................................................


Now a "Pocket Dimension" is different than an actual "Dimension" ...

... it is NOT an entire Universe like the one Magus was in Many Universes away:

Pocket Dimension: (pocket universe)

[img=http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12362800_MU_bio8.jpg]

"Universe whose Spatial size is limited."


=======================================


So as you can see,
Earth-616 (or the 616 Universe/Eternity) is a SINGLE Reality, nothing more.

The Multiverse is made up of Alternate/Divergent/Parallel entire standalone UniverseS.

You're a reasonable man, but I'll respect your opinion regardless.


Lol. Thanks. I liked your explanation above. THAT is what was missing. The spectrum idea is one I can get better than what you were saying before.

Anyway, you very well may be right. The biggest issue I have is that it conflicts with on panel evidence and forces you to try and interpret things and try and decide case by case when eternity is speaking as a multiversal consciousness or simply acting in its role as a universal level abstract. That's a big drawback IMO as it requires readers to know there even IS a multiversal level of consciousness because there is never any explicit mention of it. That what if scan is what-25 years old? Too much far ranging evidence for me and requires too much prior knowledge on readers behalfs.

Anyway, you said post proof of my way of thinking. I think the strange scan speaks volumes and the dormmy scan as well but you interpret those differently. Since we're looking at bios though, here's eternity's--

http://marvel.com/universe/Eternity

HE CONTROLS EVERYTHING IN ALL PLAINS OF EXISTENCE. If as you say eternity is just a single universe, how is it that it has multiple plains of existence, a term that can also mean dimensions and realities? It also says he controls everything EXCEPT THE LIVING TRIBUNAL and that his origin and nature are UNKNOWN and UNKNOWABLE.

Sounds like a marvel cop out to me.... wink

In any event, I could go through your post and point out the problems and inconsistencies I see, and how much of what you said could be seen to support BOTH our thoughts, but I don't think I'm budging you on this anyway so I'll pass. The definitions you gave are good ideally speaking, but are hardly used consistently across marvel. Maybe if they were, there wouldn't be this problem.

I did like the term megaverse to represent all versions of eternity and to represent all multiverses. Which to my way of thinking are of course the same thing....

Always fun.


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incidentally mrm, i never viewed this as a debate. more a discussion. i actually see the issue as being nearly unresolvable and dependent almost wholly upon the writer's view of the cosmology. so many changes recently are evident of that (chaos king's origins, then his apparent re-origin as a servant of oblivion is just one among MANY recent changes). even in that cap universe scan you posted the cap says BOUNDLESS universe, but according to the nova series and another scan, the universe is NOT boundless. terminology is used and misused frequently and certain writers seem to like to cause sh!t just to stir things up.

no consistent theory will ever completely apply, no matter how much we may wish it. least imo


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Originally posted by leonidas

Lol. Thanks. I liked your explanation above.
THAT is what was missing.
The spectrum idea is one I can get better than what you were saying before.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas

Anyway, you very well may be right. The biggest issue I have is
that it conflicts with on panel evidence and forces you to try and
interpret things and try and decide case by case when eternity is
speaking as a multiversal consciousness or simply acting in its role
as a universal level abstract. That's a big drawback IMO as it
requires readers to know there even IS a multiversal level of
consciousness because there is never any explicit mention of it.
That what if scan is what-25 years old? Too much far ranging
evidence for me and requires too much prior knowledge on readers
behalfs.

I agree somewhat, I disagree somewhat.

Imo, the on panel evidence shows us that 616 Eternity/Infinity has
been portrayed as possessing the power of the Multiverse of infinite universes.

(something that's not in plain english in the bios)

The Strange scan is old, but it still makes sense imo,
cause if you think bout Leo,
Eternity really is supposed to be just One Eternity, that has expanded into many
and while the many Eternitys may house their own piece of the Multiverse,
as a collective consciousness they're in-tuned with each other.

We don't have to further than that.

Only to add
that it seems on panel 616 Eternity/Infinity are Multiversal powers at times,
not that they physically embody The Multiverse,
but that they possess the power of that collective consciousness
being the father/mother of it all.

I'm speculating to make sense out of the Strange scan.

But it's either: (imo)

1) ... 616 Eternity/infinity
possess the power of the Multiversal Space-Time Continuum
and can therefore hold entire Universes in a hand ...

2) ... Or it was the representation of the actual Multiverse in the form of Eternity.

3) ... Dr Strange was being symbolic ...

4) ... Or, it doesn't make sense cause 616 Eternity is a single Dimension/Universe.


I choose ... 1)
quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas

Anyway, you said post proof of my way of thinking.

Since we're looking at bios though, here's eternity's--

http://marvel.com/universe/Eternity

HE CONTROLS EVERYTHING IN ALL PLAINS OF EXISTENCE.

In Marvel ... "Planes of Existence" in order: (physical first)

the Physical
the Etheric
the Astral
the Spiritual

These are "levels of existence" withIN a Reality.

"Planes of Reality" ... refers to other Dimensions/Universes.
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Originally posted by leonidas

I don't think I'm budging you on this anyway so I'll pass.

Always fun.

Same here good friend. There's not much to add to either side.

I enjoyed your input always. You made me do homework, and not everyone does.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas

incidentally mrm, i never viewed this as a debate.
more a discussion.
i actually see the issue as being nearly unresolvable and dependent
almost wholly upon the writer's view of the cosmology. so many
changes recently are evident of that (chaos king's origins, then his
apparent re-origin as a servant of oblivion is just one among MANY
recent changes).

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Originally posted by leonidas

even in that cap universe scan you posted the cap says
BOUNDLESS universe, but according to the nova series and another
scan, the universe is NOT boundless.

I'm looking into this as we speak.

I've already comes across some info,
that the "Crunch" is not the end of the Universe,
but simply the point from where 616 is expanding. (like the outer rim of something)


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Galactus defined the Crunch as: "the energy surge generated by the expanding universe.":
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I'm looking into this as we speak.

I've already comes across some info,
that the "Crunch" is not the end of the Universe,
but simply the point from where 616 is expanding. (like the outer rim of something)


i think the crunch was pretty clearly defined, no? do you mean the rip?


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Considering the amount of authors and editors that have worked on designing the Marvel universe, their demography, and the time period it's spanning conflicting information should be expected.

Now the best thing we can do as analysts is to pinpoint as many of these paradoxes as possible and find a systemized way of prioritizing certain information, based on relevance, references, and so on.


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i think the crunch was pretty clearly defined, no?

do you mean the rip?

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These scans loosely define the Rip...


"The Rip... A zone where space-time is collapsing. The laws of physics no longer apply.":
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"The Rip... ALL space and time meets here. ALL dimensions of reality. So people come here from all space and time. All species. They come to study, to inspect. They come to observe the end of the universe from closest available platform.":
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The Rip exists on the very edge of the universe:
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These scans loosely define the Rip...


"The Rip... A zone where space-time is collapsing. The laws of physics no longer apply.":
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"The Rip... ALL space and time meets here. ALL dimensions of reality. So people come here from all space and time. All species. They come to study, to inspect. They come to observe the end of the universe from closest available platform.":
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The Rip exists on the very edge of the universe:
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lol

the terminology that is thrown around all the time cracks me up. ALL dimensions of reality? somehow different from all planes of existence?? yeah, this can never be definitively solved.... cool scans though.


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ALL dimensions of reality?

somehow different from all planes of existence??

yeah, this can never be definitively solved...


I have one on panel example on hand, (I have to tap my dvds to get more)
that defines the "Planes of Existence" in Marvel.
It's actually the same as in the real world. (in theory or course)

Physical Planes = tangible reality or the "physical universe"

Etheric Planes = subconscious reality or the "mind"

Astral Planes = spiritual reality or the "essence of your being"


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Basically ... different states of being/existence withIN a Reality.

(body - mind - soul)

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Starhawk battles Korvac on "Every Plane of Existence"

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I'll cut right to what "every plane of existence" is here:

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"I have subdued your physical ...

I have defeated Aleta on the plane of subconscious ...

and now, in the astral void, your spirit is at my mercy
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I'll get you some examples on "Planes of Reality" later on.


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