He all I said was he had a good character arc of fall and redemption and that his impressive leadership and tactical skills are hampered by his personal life's disastrous interference with his professional.
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* mind you, one of your list just kneeled in front of Scott with utter submission, and as of today, he is still on Scott's side...
* what happens when you put Cyclops in a room with a hot telepath unsupervised? do you realize that telepaths are attracted to Scott, and not the other way around?
* as much as i hate to use Namor's argument, but being a "leader" and being a "ruler" are also two different things... Namor acknowledges and respects Scott's leadership, but he says Scott's "rulership" sucks...
* in the "Origins of the Marvel Universe" graphic novel, Steve Rogers said on his files that Scott is a charismatic, powerful and effective leader, and strategic and tactical genius...
* Nick Fury's files says Scott is a natural born leader and a master strategist, the less time he has to hink, the better...
* he was the first one who taught Cable basic (to advanced) survival skills (when he was talking to Hope in Negative Zone)...
* another one of your anti-Cyclops rant? thanks for admitting you're not succeeding and you're frustrated... btw, defending Scott is not being a fanboy... we're not arguing that Scott can beat Thanos, are we?
Scott Summers is a damn good leader. Been an X-Man since the age of 15. I think he is a great tactician and it might have to do with his genes. His father was leader of the Starammers,his brother Havok is a leader,his son Cable was a leader and great tactician too.
Cyclops followed the lead of Professor X for years. I guess that makes Charles a better leader by your logic. You know, I think you're right. I now consider Professor X a better leader than Scott, so he's also on my list. Scott still can't crack my top five.
So you're saying he wasn't attracted to Jean, Betsy, OR Emma??!?
So does that make him gay or dead?
Usually you make at least somewhat valid points. Ima forget about this one and give you a chance the read what you typed again without the ruby lens glasses on.
Scott needs to have at least some accountability for his personal life. He's a grown-ass man, makes his own decisions, and needs to own up to the consequences of his actions without making excuses. I'm pretty sure he'll just keep sulking through life, waiting for hairy, industructible mutants to tell him what a dirtbag he is, so he can blast them through windows though...
Agreed. Storm is a better ruler than Scott, but she's not on the list because he's a better leader. I still say everybody else I named commands more loyalty and respect.
And what do you think Scott's files say about Cap and Fury?
As for Cable, I agree. he got his start in the art of warfare from one of the best. Somebody also was Bruce Lee's first teacher. It doesn't make him better than Bruce, just the first to teach him.
I'll also add the Punisher to the list of people who can out-think Scott tactically as long as the fight is one on one.
Seriously people. He's NOT Marvel's answer to Batman. That statment sounds just as stupid as saying Wolverine can take Thanos.
I love it when fanboys try and justify their fanboyism to me.
Seriously people. He's NOT Marvel's answer to Batman. That statment sounds just as stupid as saying Wolverine can take Thanos.
By the way, how's that trying to convince the public that Marvel's most popular hero ever really sucks going for you peejayd? Still haven't succeeded huh? Well, keep trying. Everybody but you has got to be wrong one of these days...
he was attracted to all three. is it any coincidence, though, that all three women were the aggressors in trying to start something? jean came on to him. betsy came on to him. emma came on to him. he reacted. scott has, for years, been naturally attractive to telepathic women.
he has done. more than once.
and logan is in no position to talk down to scott, tbh.
scott was never meant to be a ruler. that was supposed to be charles' job. scott is, or at least was before their character assassination, doing a decent job of it imo.
popularity is only a measuring stick of that: popularity. just because something is popular doesn't make it superior.
True that. He's probably the only X-Man that is a bigger man-whore than Scott.
Maybe Marvel should make Storm the ruler and Scott the true power behind the throne.
That statment was a response to peejayd's anti-Cyclops rant accusation. I was just basically saying people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
For the record, I'm no Wolverine fanboy. Far from. I like the character, but I can admit he's not the best a everything he does.
Sabretooth is. The best at everything he does. Everything.
Maybe someday we'll find something Sabretooth isn't the best at. And if that day ever comes, I'll be the first to admit it.
If you REALLY want to open up the "All of Marvel" box, I have to say that's a pretty strong statment. I don't think Scott would have any chance against Loki, Warlock, Thanos or just about any cosmic level characters who have minds that work in ways Scott could barely comprehend with his mortal mind. We're talking about Universal Forces and GODS here. Characters that have the wisdom and experience of eons. Think about it.
scott has raw talent though. i mean, you can have plenty of knowledge and experience, but being able to think strategically is something that is very hard to learn at all, never mind learn well.
Look at the kind of people who have deferred to Scott's leadership in the past; it's a long list.
The same can be said of any of the talented strategists as well. No way Scott figures out a way to get the Infinity Gauntlet off Thanos' hand. Warlock was all over that.
i don't agree, tbh. Cyclops has shown an unusual ability to feint and double feint his opponents, and has shown an unerring ability to have plans to suit any situation.
He just tends to lack the firepower within himself or his team. Look at Kuurth, for example.
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