Been awhile since I played the game but I thought Malachor V's unique force presence allowed them to learn the technique. After all, all the Sith Assassins can use a weaker version of it.
Well Nihilus only has to kill her one time to win here.
Nihilus was turned into a Maelstrom of pure Force energy, so he wouldn't need a Nexus like say, Palpatine would.
Yanking a massive Warship out of the Gravity-Well, of a world, which may range into the millions of billions of tons is more impressive than rebuilding a structure.
And Luke moved a miniature black hole after taking control of a Dovin Basal.
Nihilus tanked a gravitational explosion that ripped an entire world into pieces and killed every living thing on it.
He wins here.
- She will be screaming, though - not that it will do her any good.
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
Canon stated that the only defense to Nihilus's Drain is a Force Wound.
Is Abeloth a Force Wound?
Hold on, I'll go look her up and see if she is.
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
Perhaps Nihilus could. But he still had access to a nexus so we can't say with certainty that he could do so without it.
Nah. Kyp does that. Luke does the following.
"Immediately the dovin basals started to shift the void to cover this new attack vector. Luke fed the Force into his hold on the void, thwarting them. Their pressure increased, and still Luke held it unmoving. The torpedoes got closer and closer. The dovin basals pulled harder, and when their effort reached a new peak, Luke let the void slip over toward intercepting the proton torpedoes.
The dovin basals devoted their efforts to sliding the void into place, which required both some lateral movement and shortening the arc over which the void would travel. As they brought it close to the vehicle, Luke pushed with the Force. Since the dovin basals were already tugging the void back toward the vehicle, they were not prepared to have the travel accelerated."
Not confirmed. Regardless, he clearly isn't impervious to harm as the Exile and her companions end up slaying him. And Abeloth can certainly dish out far more pain than the Exile.
Last edited by ares834 on Jul 5th, 2012 at 07:04 AM
He held ships together and drug them around the cosmos, even amidst the influence of other gravitational signatures, and in Hyperspace.
So yeah, I think we could.
That doesn't prove anything. Luke still needed the Dovin Basal to manipulate the singularity.
Confirmed. He was on the planet when the Super-weapon went off, ripping it into pieces and killing every remaining thing on the planet.
The Generator, a superweapon conceived by the Zabrak tech specialist Bao-Dur, killed almost everyone on the planet's surface and in orbit nearby.[4] This man survived the superweapon's destruction of the surface of Malachor and in his grief over his losses during the war he assumed a dark persona,[2] in part as a means of survival.
- Lifted from Wook, also - and taken originally from the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide.
The only reason the Exile could harm him, was because 99% of his Force energy had been exhausted in trying to feed upon a Force Wound, meaning his durability in the Force, which could before tank Planetary-explosions, was now lessened to where the Exile could kill him.
But Nihilus is at Peak power here, and Abeloth isn't a Force Wound - so she's screwed.
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
Not true. The Dovin Basal can move the singularity, yet Luke prevented this from happening. This means he was applying an equal amount of force as the Basal meaning if Luke wanted to he could move the black hole if the Basal did not resist.
I have the guide and it does not confirm any of that in his passage. If it does exist somewhere else in the book, please direct me to the passage. Regardless, even if we assume he survived the attack. Durability against such an event does not translate to durability against a different source. Different defenses exist against different forms of attack. After all, Yoda can protect himself against Sidious's lightning but we don't assume he can survive against Nihilus's drain as that would require something different.
Last edited by ares834 on Jul 5th, 2012 at 07:33 AM
The problem is Abeloth may be an aspect of the force itself. If true it wouldn't make sense saying you can cut her off from the force if she is composed of force energy.
You still haven't proved that Luke wasn't manipulating a Dovin Basal.
Are you sure you aren't looking at a cookbook, and forgot to put your contacts in?
Sidious's lightning is inherently an Offending attacking capability, whereas Nihilus's Drain doesn't give energy - but takes.
Nihilus can tank or absorb any Offending attack launched at him.
Abeloth can expel Force attacks that Nihilus would eat, or simply diffuse atoms and cause huge explosions that Nihilus could simply tank.
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
A black hole is made up of an acceleration of energetic particles.
Nihilus is a black hole - in the Force.
That would be like saying, "it wouldn't make sense saying that a black hole could pull in light, even though light is made of energy like a black hole is."
Basically, Nihilus eats Force energy, and she's made of his favorite snack - so he can totally eat her.
It would be no different than a black hole coming close to a sun - and while not close enough to swallow up the entire sun - it still swallows off parts of light emanating from the sun.
__________________ There are no contests in the Art of Peace. A true warrior is invincible because he or she contests with nothing. Defeat means to defeat the mind of contention that we harbor within.
- Morihei Ueshiba
Please. The fact it's working against him shows he wasn't. Let's use some common sense here.
If you don't want to direct me to the excerpt from the book a direct quote and proximate position in the book would be helpful. As it is I see no mention of him tanking the Mass-Shadow Generator.
A minor distinction. Regardless, the point still stands. Force absorb is useful against lightning and blaster bolts but doesn't appear to be applicable against telekinesis. Why should Nihilus's defense against a gravity based attack be applicable against an attack with a very different nature? Quite simply, it shouldn't.
You know that Nihilus isn't actually a black hole in the force right? It's a metaphor.
And I have never seen him mentioned to be one either, to my knowledge only Sidious has been called one.
Not at all. Drain works on her. And that's what you are describing here. But as pointed out Nihilus doesn't actually drain he severs and then feeds on the death caused. But to sever a being that is one with the force from the force, doesn't make sense.
There is no single mention of Force wound weakening. On video he is shown suffering after attempt to feed on her. But it could be only emotional suffering, not the result of being Force exhausted.
It is what makes this game so contradictive with other SW material.
We have many examples of Force severed characters:
Ulic Kel-Droma, Callista, Jacen and Ben. All of those had been severed from the Force, Yuuzhan Vong their entire life were void in the Force.
So, if a pillar will be thrown at him, he will absorb it as well?
TK blast is not the Force as much as effect caused by it. Even Yuuzan Vong were affected by TK to some extend. Also, there is no known example in EU of anybody absorbing TK.
Also, Force lightning is not the Force, it is energy. That's why it worked on Yuuzhan Vong.
There is no known actual Force attack absorb ability in EU. Examples such as Revan, Satele, Corran Horn and Keiran Halkion were absorbing energy like electricity, blaster bolts, explosions and lightsaber beam, which could be converted into power. As for Yoda, he wasn't even absorbing lightning into himself, he contained it in his grasp, that's why he wasn't empowered by it.
Seems like she is worse. That's why Krayt suffered absorbing her but unlike Nihilus, who gave up after one attempt, he continued through his suffering. Also, your point about him suffering because he is made from flash is utterly invalid. They fought beyond shadows, inside spiritual world outside their bodies.
you guys are arguing the wrong Luke feat: His most impressive TK was "submerged himself in the force, and when Luke Skywalker did that, nothing, not even the massive black hole at the center of the galaxy could move him."
Rough paraphrase, but you know the quote of which I speak. Argue THAT. the dovin basil thing is chump change compared to it.
Jul 5th, 2012 06:40 AM
